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    Read the indictment...

    Conservative Wife & Mom -- I'm a Conservative Christian-American with dual citizenship...the Kingdom of God is my 1st home and the U.S.A. is my 2nd.

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  3. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative Wife & Mom View Post

    IT has begun...


    ...an anti-government extremist organization which advocates violence against local, state, and federal law enforcement...

    Right out of the DHS Right-Wing Extremist Definitions published last year...

    Everything in this docket is speculative conjecture...

    The only threats they actually made were against Islamic Extremists...
    Although, they prepared for the possibility of resistance to a tyrannical government in the case MARTIAL LAW WAS IMPOSED UNCONSTITUTIONALLY...

    again I hold nothing these people did was unconstitutional...

    including but not limited to making threats against anybody...

    no crime has been committed until they actually do something...

    "When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty." - Thomas Jefferson

    "The people never give up their liberties, but under some delusion." - Edmund Burke

  4. #13
    +1 Bohemian. That's how I see it, too! When one reads the indictment with an open mind and an awareness of "wording", the charges seem very threatening to any law abiding citizen who is exercising their 2A rights.
    Conservative Wife & Mom -- I'm a Conservative Christian-American with dual citizenship...the Kingdom of God is my 1st home and the U.S.A. is my 2nd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bohemian View Post

    IT has begun...


    ...an anti-government extremist organization which advocates violence against local, state, and federal law enforcement...

    Right out of the DHS Right-Wing Extremist Definitions published last year...

    Everything in this docket is speculative conjecture...

    The only threats they actually made were against Islamic Extremists...
    Although, they prepared for the possibility of resistance to a tyrannical government in the case MARTIAL LAW WAS IMPOSED UNCONSTITUTIONALLY...

    again I hold nothing these people did was unconstitutional...

    including but not limited to making threats against anybody...

    no crime has been committed until they actually do something...

    "When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
    The original reason was they allegedly threatened an Islamic group. Now the Feds are alleging they were consipiring to kill LEO's... sounds fishy to me too!

  6. #15
    Let's just watch and see how many more raids are forthcoming. That will tell us a lot...
    Prov. 27:3 - "Stone is heavy and sand a burden, but provocation by a fool is heavier than both"

  7. #16
    You Were Warned...

    Militia Raids Part Of Government Effort to Provoke Violence, Purge Dissent


    Steve Watson & Paul Watson
    Prisonplanet.com
    Monday, March 29th, 2010


    Related: Feds Release Indictment Against Michigan Militia

    News of a bust on nine members of a militia group in Detroit who were planning to “levy war” against the United States and “oppose by force” the nation’s government, should be treated with extreme suspicion, given that every major terror bust in the U.S. in recent years has been contrived.

    According to an indictment (PDF) unsealed this morning in U.S. District Court in Detroit, eight men and one woman were training in modern combat techniques for a prophesied battle with the anti-Christ.
    The indictment described the nine as gearing up to use bombs and other weapons to kill local, state, and federal law enforcement officials in an effort to act as a “catalyst for a more wide-spread uprising against the government.”

    The FBI’s Joint Terrorism Task Force carried out a series of raids on group members in Michigan, Indiana and Ohio over the weekend.
    Known as the “Hutaree” militia, each of the nine faces three to five charges, including sedition, attempts to use weapons of mass destruction, teaching/demonstrating use of explosive materials and two counts of carrying weapons in relation to a crime of violence.

    Seven of the defendants appeared in court this morning and were ordered held without bond until Wednesday.

    “This is an example of radical and extremist fringe groups which can be found throughout our society,” FBI special agent Andrew Arena told The Detroit News.
    “The FBI takes such extremist groups seriously, especially those who would target innocent citizens and the law enforcement officers who protect the citizens of the United States.” Arena added.
    Comments made by a well known former militia leader indicate that the Hutaree were regarded by other militia outfits as radical and reckless “low-hanging fruits”.

    Mike Vanderboegh, who has close connections with the militia movement in Michigan and all over the country, was critical of the Hutaree, saying that they “have indicated in the past that, much like John Brown, they WANTED to start a civil war, which is why no responsible militia group in Michigan was willing to ally with them.”

    Vanderboegh described the group as “a perfect target” for the feds, adding that the raids could have provoked a nationwide uprising if they had turned violent.

    As we highlighted earlier this month, following the highly suspicious Pentagon shooting, recent history proves that domestic terror, far from being a militia plot or an “extremist fringe” threat, is a government specialty.
    Just a brief reprisal of the last handful of major terror cases in the United States instantly reminds us that in every single instance the plot was artificially engineered by the federal government and then later seized upon, with the enthusiastic support of the corporate media, as justification for more funding, more power, and more authority to denounce critics of the war on terror and dissent against the state in general.

    From ensuring known extremist Umar Farouk Abdul Mutallab, now known as the underwear bomber, was able to board Flight 253 in Amsterdam last December, to allowing Fort Hood shooter Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan to remain on a U.S. Army base, and even to participate in Homeland Security exercises, the actions of Federal authorities have provoked often tragic newsmaking incidents.

    Dozens of terror busts and stings since 9/11 have been orchestrated by handlers aiding the accused terrorists at every turn. We have never come across a major case where the terrorists involved in a plot were not being prodded by the FBI and federal informants, or where clear prior knowledge and forewarning was not evident.

    Lawyers in a case relating to the much vaunted 2007 terror plot to attack Fort Dix and kill “as many soldiers as possible” concluded that FBI informants were the key figures behind the operation and that the accused, six foreign-born Muslims, were merely bungling patsies.

    Similarly, the “Toronto 18″ terrorists turned out to be “a bunch of incompetent guys who were primarily misled by a delusional megalomaniac”. The explosive fertilizer material the terrorist cell apparently planned to use was in fact purchased by an informant working for the RCMP who had radicalized the group.

    In the media-lauded Miami terror case in 2007, the supposed ringleader Narseal “Prince Marina” Batiste “had heard of Al-Qaeda, but wasn’t sure what it stood for. The FBI instigators made Batiste swear loyalty to al-Qaida; then had him call on his local buddies to form an ‘Islamic army’ in Miami. None had military training. Some could barely read. But Batiste assured the group in the midst of its collective marijuana buzz of greatness ahead,” wrote Saul Landau.

    These were the men who comedian John Stewart referred to as “seven dipshits in a warehouse” after Attorney General Alberto Gonzales had ludicrously told the press that the group of semi-retarded gang-bangers had planned to “wage a ground war against America”.

    One of the more recent examples was the case of the so-called Muslim terrorists busted in New York, who supposedly wanted to blow up synagogues in the Bronx and shoot down military airplanes flying out of the New York Air National Guard base. The men were provided with fake explosives and inactive missiles by an FBI informant, reported the Christian Science Monitor. Two of the ringleaders of the “deadly” plot which was endlessly hyped by the media turned out to be semi-retarded potheads, exactly as we had predicted would be the case due to the innumerable past cases with the exact same modus operandi.

    Then we have the most deadly and contrived “christian-patriot” terror plot – the OKC bombing of 1995. While the SPLC, the ADL and similar organizations are happy to play the Timothy McVeigh card over and over again, to back up the notion that hate-filled right wing extremists are taking over the country, they are less enthusiastic to mention the fact that McVeigh planned his deadly assault on the Alfred P. Murrah building under the intimate direction of a high-level FBI official. This according to McVeigh’s co-conspirator Terry Nichols, a claim voluminously backed up by a plethora of evidence that has been presented in court on several occasions.

    Time and time again it is revealed that the only prominent people who call for violence in the patriot movement turn out to be working for the feds.
    Radio talk show host and racist firebrand Hal Turner recently admitted in federal court that he worked for the FBI as a “National Security Intelligence” asset. “Turner also claims the FBI coached him to make racist, anti-Semitic and other threatening statements on his radio show, but the newspaper also found many federal officials were concerned that his audience might follow up on his violence rhetoric,” the Associated Press reported in November, 2009.

    Turner’s code name was “Valhalla” and “he received thousands of dollars from the FBI to report on such groups as the Aryan Nations and the white supremacist National Alliance.
    The FBI, under its long-running COINTELPRO, subsidized, armed, directed and protected the Klu Klux Klan and other racist groups.

    In light of all these cases, and the ongoing effort to re-direct the focus of the war on terror away from foreign muslim terrorists to “home grown” American “extremists”, the question must be explored – were the FBI actively involved in radicalizing the “Hutaree” militia? Were any of the militia members FBI informants?

    Militia Raids Part Of Government Effort to Provoke Violence, Purge Dissent

    "The people never give up their liberties, but under some delusion." - Edmund Burke

  8. #17
    Don't dare exercise your 1A and 2A rights at the same time. I don't think "they" consider violent threats free speech but "they" also don't consider a selective fire weapon an arm that you can keep and bear. Seems that every "right" has its limitations - and the limitations are those that the "main-stream" media and the Gov't say they are.
    Avidshooter (Texas)
    "The real destroyer of the liberties of the people is he who spreads among them bounties, donations and benefits." -- Plutarch

  9. #18

    Your Rights Don't Come From Government...

    The First Fundamental Principle of Constitutional Interpretation: Your Rights Don't Come From Government...
    Oath Keepers: CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC 101: YOUR RIGHTS DON’T COME FROM GOVERNMENT

    "All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent." - Thomas Jefferson

    "When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty." - Thomas Jefferson

    "Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God." --Thomas Jefferson: his motto.

    "My great objection to this government is, that it does not leave us the means of defending our rights or of waging war against tyrants." - Patrick Henry

    "[W]here and when did freedom exist when the power of the sword and purse were given up from the people?" - Patrick Henry

    "Whereas civil rulers, not having their duty to the people duly before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as military forces, which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms." - Tench Coxe

    "The majority falls prey to the delusion — popular in some circles — that ordinary people are too careless and stupid to own guns, and we would be far better off leaving all weapons in the hands of professionals on the government payroll. But the simple truth — born of experience — is that tyranny thrives best where government need not fear the wrath of an armed people... A revolt by Nat Turner and a few dozen other armed blacks could be put down without much difficulty; one by four million armed blacks would have meant big trouble. All too many of the other great tragedies of history — Stalin’s atrocities, the killing fields of Cambodia, the Holocaust, to name but a few — were perpetrated by armed troops against unarmed populations. Many could well have been avoided or mitigated, had the perpetrators known their intended victims were equipped with a rifle and twenty bullets apiece, as the Militia Act required here. ... If a few hundred Jewish fighters in the Warsaw Ghetto could hold off the Wehrmacht for almost a month with only a handful of weapons, six million Jews armed with rifles could not so easily have been herded into cattle cars." - Kozinski, Circuit Judge, dissenting from denial of rehearing en banc in Silveira v. Lockyer.

    "Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... O sir, we should have fine times, indeed, if to punish tyrants, it were only sufficient to assemble the people!" - Patrick Henry

    "While the people have property, arms in their hands, and only a spark of noble spirit, the most corrupt Congress must be mad to form any project of tyranny." - Rev. Nicholas Collin, Fayetteville Gazette (N.C.), October 12, 1789

    "God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.... And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms.... The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." - Thomas Jefferson, in letter to William S. Smith, 1787


    WTFU SHEEPLE!

    TAKE BACK THE REPUBLIC!

    "The people never give up their liberties, but under some delusion." - Edmund Burke

  10. "Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up, and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable - a most sacred right." --Abraham Lincoln

  11. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony_I_Am View Post
    "Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up, and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable - a most sacred right." --Abraham Lincoln
    Great Quote, but Lincoln like Obama was just a great orator, hypocrite and a trampler of the Constitution...

    Lincoln's own plethora of unconstitutional executive orders where in direct conflict with this quote alone...

    History is re-written by the victors...

    Abe Lincoln & FDR were no heroes and the Civil War was not about Slavery as the liberal text books & socialist college professors infer...

    "The people never give up their liberties, but under some delusion." - Edmund Burke

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