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  1. #21
    I can't speak for mr ice, but when I went to Army Basic Training, we were taught that unlawful orders were to be disobeyed AND reported. We were told in no uncertain terms that we would be prosecuted for either issuing or obeying unlawful orders.

    I think Nuremberg pretty well established that following unlawful orders was no defense to prosecution.

    I have serious doubts this LTC will prevail. A smart prosecutor will simply charge him with violation of article 133, and the "Catch All" or "Devil's Article," Article 134.

    -Doc

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    Lieutenant Colonel Terry Lakin Letter to POTUS

    Lieutenant Colonel Terry Lakin Letter to POTUS

    March 30, 2010
    The Honorable Barack Obama
    President of the United States of America
    1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
    Washington, D.C. 20500

    Dear Mr. President:

    For more than seventeen years, I have had the privilege of serving my country as a member of the U.S. Armed Forces, including overseas assignments in imminent danger/combat areas in Bosnia and Afghanistan.

    The United States is an example to the rest of the world of a stable, civilized democratic government where all men are created equal and the rule of law is cherished and obeyed. The U.S. military teaches and promotes the rule of law and civilian control of the military to many other nations and militaries around the world. Every soldier learns what constitutes a lawful order and is encouraged to stand up and object to unlawful orders. My officer's oath of office requires that I swear to support and defend the Constitution of the United States.

    I recently received deployment orders for a second deployment to Afghanistan. My orders included a requirement to bring copies of my birth certificate. I will provide a certified copy of my original birth certificate with common, standard identifiers, including the name of an attending physician and a hospital. Every day in transactions across the country, American citizens are required to prove their identity, and standards for identification have become even stricter since the terrorist attacks on 9/11.

    Since the fall of 2008, I have been troubled by reports that your original birth certificate remains concealed from public view along with many other records which, if released, would quickly end questions surrounding your place of birth and "natural born" status. Many people mistake the online Certification of Live Birth for an original birth certificate. Until the summer of 2009, the Hawaiian Department of Homelands would not accept this Certification of Live Birth to determine native Hawaiian identity--the Department insisted upon also reviewing an original birth certificate. Many do not understand that the online document was from 2007, generated by computer, laser-printed, and merely a certification that there is an original birth certificate on file which may or may not be sufficiently probative. An original birth certificate is the underlying document that presumably includes a hospital and attending physician's or midwife's name that should lay to rest the "natural born" dispute.

    In 2008, after pressure from the news media, Senator McCain produced an original birth certificate from the Panama Canal Zone; a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing examined and affirmed his "natural born" status and Constitutional eligibility to serve as President. The U.S. Senate was silent about your eligibility, despite statements from Kenyan citizens that you were born in Mombasa, including your paternal grandmother and the Ambassador from Kenya to the U.S. during a radio interview. Hawaiian state officials claim they cannot release an original birth certificate without your consent.

    I have attempted through my chain of command for many months to get answers to the questions surrounding your eligibility. I also sought answers, unsuccessfully, through my Congressional delegation. You serve as my Commander-in-Chief. Given the fact that the certification that your campaign posted online was not a document that the Hawaiian Department of Homelands regarded as a sufficient substitute for the original birth certificate and given that it has been your personal decision that has prevented the Hawaiian Department of Health from releasing your original birth certificate or any Hawaiian hospital from releasing your records, the burden of proof must rest with you.

    Please assure the American people that you are indeed constitutionally eligible to serve as Commander-in-Chief and thereby may lawfully direct service members into harm's way. I will be proud to deploy to Afghanistan to further serve my country and my fellow soldiers, but I should only do so with the knowledge that this important provision of our Constitution is respected and obeyed. The people that continue to risk their lives and give the ultimate sacrifice to the service of our country deserve to know they do so upholding their vows to the oath of office and the Constitution.

    Unless it is established (by this sufficient proof that should be easily within your power to provide) that you are constitutionally eligible to serve as President and my Commander-in-Chief, I, and all other military officers may be following illegal orders. Therefore, sir, until an original birth certificate is brought forward that validates your eligibility and puts to rest the other reasonable questions surrounding your unproven eligibility; I cannot in good conscience obey ANY military orders.

    Respectfully,
    // Terry Lakin
    Lieutenant Colonel Terrence Lakin, USA




    http://www.safeguardourconstitution.com/

    http://www.safeguardourconstitution....-to-potus.html

    "The people never give up their liberties, but under some delusion." - Edmund Burke

  4. #23
    Can't say it any better than that. What a patriot.
    Prov. 27:3 - "Stone is heavy and sand a burden, but provocation by a fool is heavier than both"

  5. Sad that he would throw away a career and retirement over principle. I may could understand his objection if he was an infantry commander in charge of sending people to kill or get killed. But being a doctor, the alleged "illegal order" really isn't going to hurt anyone. For the sake of his future security, going along with this order isn't going to cause anyone any harm. Another poster has compared it to Nurnberg, but in that case the defendants were accused of killing people. If he really thought the war or the orders illegal, why not deploy and save as many lives as he could? By getting himself court-martialed, soldiers may die that he could have otherwise saved.

  6. #25
    mojo Guest
    "Sad that he would throw away a career and retirement over principle"......Anthony I Am
    Actually for me anyway, I say KUDOS to this man for his willingness to shelve his career for his Principles!!!!! it is something that is greatly and sadly lacking in todays society!! Bravo to him and I hope he prevails in his case.

  7. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by mojo View Post
    "Sad that he would throw away a career and retirement over principle"......Anthony I Am
    Actually for me anyway, I say KUDOS to this man for his willingness to shelve his career for his Principles!!!!! it is something that is greatly and sadly lacking in todays society!! Bravo to him and I hope he prevails in his case.
    Amen +1 mojo...

    A return to first principles in a republic is sometimes caused by the simple virtues of one man. His good example has such an influence that the good men strive to imitate him, and the wicked are ashamed to lead a life so contrary to his example - Niccolo Machiavelli

    To paraphrase Martin Luther King - Judge All Men/Women By The Content Of Their Character...

    Hold To The Truth - George Washington
    Question With Boldness - Thomas Jefferson
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    I heard some more on this case on The Factor. The doc is making a political statement for his own reasons. According to O'Reilly, he has reasonable proof that BHO was born in Hawaii, birth announcements in the local fishwrap*.




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  9. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by NMHunter View Post
    I heard some more on this case on The Factor. The doc is making a political statement for his own reasons. According to O'Reilly, he has reasonable proof that BHO was born in Hawaii, birth announcements in the local fishwrap*.




    *newspaper
    If he has proof then I will be waiting to see it. However do not expect me to hold my breath.
    By faith Noah,being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear,prepared an ark to the saving of his house;by the which he condemned the world,and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith Heb.11:7

  10. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Bohemian View Post
    Lieutenant Colonel Terry Lakin Letter to POTUS

    March 30, 2010
    The Honorable Barack Obama
    President of the United States of America
    1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
    Washington, D.C. 20500

    Dear Mr. President:

    For more than seventeen years, I have had the privilege of serving my country as a member of the U.S. Armed Forces, including overseas assignments in imminent danger/combat areas in Bosnia and Afghanistan.

    The United States is an example to the rest of the world of a stable, civilized democratic government where all men are created equal and the rule of law is cherished and obeyed. The U.S. military teaches and promotes the rule of law and civilian control of the military to many other nations and militaries around the world. Every soldier learns what constitutes a lawful order and is encouraged to stand up and object to unlawful orders. My officer's oath of office requires that I swear to support and defend the Constitution of the United States.

    I recently received deployment orders for a second deployment to Afghanistan. My orders included a requirement to bring copies of my birth certificate. I will provide a certified copy of my original birth certificate with common, standard identifiers, including the name of an attending physician and a hospital. Every day in transactions across the country, American citizens are required to prove their identity, and standards for identification have become even stricter since the terrorist attacks on 9/11.

    Since the fall of 2008, I have been troubled by reports that your original birth certificate remains concealed from public view along with many other records which, if released, would quickly end questions surrounding your place of birth and "natural born" status. Many people mistake the online Certification of Live Birth for an original birth certificate. Until the summer of 2009, the Hawaiian Department of Homelands would not accept this Certification of Live Birth to determine native Hawaiian identity--the Department insisted upon also reviewing an original birth certificate. Many do not understand that the online document was from 2007, generated by computer, laser-printed, and merely a certification that there is an original birth certificate on file which may or may not be sufficiently probative. An original birth certificate is the underlying document that presumably includes a hospital and attending physician's or midwife's name that should lay to rest the "natural born" dispute.

    In 2008, after pressure from the news media, Senator McCain produced an original birth certificate from the Panama Canal Zone; a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing examined and affirmed his "natural born" status and Constitutional eligibility to serve as President. The U.S. Senate was silent about your eligibility, despite statements from Kenyan citizens that you were born in Mombasa, including your paternal grandmother and the Ambassador from Kenya to the U.S. during a radio interview. Hawaiian state officials claim they cannot release an original birth certificate without your consent.

    I have attempted through my chain of command for many months to get answers to the questions surrounding your eligibility. I also sought answers, unsuccessfully, through my Congressional delegation. You serve as my Commander-in-Chief. Given the fact that the certification that your campaign posted online was not a document that the Hawaiian Department of Homelands regarded as a sufficient substitute for the original birth certificate and given that it has been your personal decision that has prevented the Hawaiian Department of Health from releasing your original birth certificate or any Hawaiian hospital from releasing your records, the burden of proof must rest with you.

    Please assure the American people that you are indeed constitutionally eligible to serve as Commander-in-Chief and thereby may lawfully direct service members into harm's way. I will be proud to deploy to Afghanistan to further serve my country and my fellow soldiers, but I should only do so with the knowledge that this important provision of our Constitution is respected and obeyed. The people that continue to risk their lives and give the ultimate sacrifice to the service of our country deserve to know they do so upholding their vows to the oath of office and the Constitution.

    Unless it is established (by this sufficient proof that should be easily within your power to provide) that you are constitutionally eligible to serve as President and my Commander-in-Chief, I, and all other military officers may be following illegal orders. Therefore, sir, until an original birth certificate is brought forward that validates your eligibility and puts to rest the other reasonable questions surrounding your unproven eligibility; I cannot in good conscience obey ANY military orders.

    Respectfully,
    // Terry Lakin
    Lieutenant Colonel Terrence Lakin, USA




    American Patriot Foundation: FTC Terry Lakin Defense Fund

    Terry Lakin Letter to POTUS
    Looks like pretty good reasons to me...

    O'Reilly & others at FoxNews are either being Censored by the FCC or other Federal Entity or they are just flat out dropping the ball on this one...

    I have and others have personally dispelled any validity of the newspaper content, with primary source support; very easy to find in the archives of this site and others...

    IF he is not hiding his birth-right eligibility he is hiding something Criminal & Impeachable...

    "I love the man that can smile in trouble, that can gather strength from distress, and grow brave by reflection. 'Tis the business of little minds to shrink, but he whose heart is firm, and whose conscience approves his conduct, will pursue his principles unto death." - Thomas Paine

    "The people never give up their liberties, but under some delusion." - Edmund Burke

  11. #30
    Like our Founders, this Patriot Soldier has pledged his life, his fortune and his sacred honor. The current political fiasco could be turned around, in a heart beat, if EVERY Constitution loving American were willing to do the same! This soldier deserves our respect AND our support. Please make a tax-deductible contribution to his defense fund, http://www.safeguardourconstitution.com/ ... I just did.
    Conservative Wife & Mom -- I'm a Conservative Christian-American with dual citizenship...the Kingdom of God is my 1st home and the U.S.A. is my 2nd.

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