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    Quote Originally Posted by Ektarr View Post
    No they didn't. The National Day of Prayer isn't a LAW that must be obeyed...it's an acknowledgement, like Father's Day. There is no LAW which says you MUST pray on this particular day. How you observe it...IF you observe it...is entirely up to you.
    Ektarr that seems pretty easy to understand. I wonder why it is so hard for some to grasp it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ektarr View Post
    How you observe it...IF you observe it...is entirely up to you.
    Then why do we need an officially sanctioned national day for it?

    As “holidays” go, the official National Day of Prayer is difficult to understand. For the faithful, every day is a day of prayer, and they don’t need official encouragement. For a secular government that separates church from state, the idea of a state-sanctioned day in which elected leaders encourage Americans to pray is odd, if not ridiculous. Indeed, for all the recent talk about “big government,” federal “intrusion,” and getting back to American traditions in line with the Founding Fathers, conservatives should find an official annual prayer day for the nation pretty offensive. It’s an entirely modern creation - the NPD was established in 1952, and set as the first Thursday in May in 1988 - and OBTW, Thomas Jefferson and James Madison explicitly rejected state-sponsored prayer days.

    So, what are you so worked up about? First, the small-government crowd is outraged that a federal court would find an official federal prayer day problematic. (Americans need government to tell us when to pray? Only if you listen to the far-right.) Second, according to bizarre postings we'll soon see here, the story has morphed into President Obama “cancelling” the National Day of Prayer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cocked _and_Locked View Post
    "Of" and "From" are synonyms:

    Main Entry: of
    Part of Speech: preposition
    Definition: from
    Synonyms: about, appertaining to, appropriate to, as concerns, as regards, attributed to, away from, based on, belonging to, characterized by, coming from, concerning, connected with, consisting of, containing, epithetical, going from, in reference to, in regard to, like, made from, out from, out of, peculiar to, pertaining to, proceeding from, referring to, regarding, related to, showing

    Nice try, though!
    Let's see how that synonym theory works.
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    "I got a pistol of KimberPB."

    Nope, the two words don't provide the same meaning, so they are NOT synonyms.
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    Well said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cocked _and_Locked View Post
    How about a national day of agnosticism, then?
    Agnostics believe that there is no way to know if god exists or not, some Agnostics are also religious. I believe you meant to say Atheism, that would be the polar opposite.

    Should we also have a holiday for those that don't believe in Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ektarr View Post
    Wouldn't "Agnostic Theism" be considered an oxymoron?
    No, Atheistic Theism would be an oxymoron.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cocked _and_Locked View Post
    Then why do we need an officially sanctioned national day for it?

    As “holidays” go, the official National Day of Prayer is difficult to understand. For the faithful, every day is a day of prayer, and they don’t need official encouragement. For a secular government that separates church from state, the idea of a state-sanctioned day in which elected leaders encourage Americans to pray is odd, if not ridiculous. Indeed, for all the recent talk about “big government,” federal “intrusion,” and getting back to American traditions in line with the Founding Fathers, conservatives should find an official annual prayer day for the nation pretty offensive. It’s an entirely modern creation - the NPD was established in 1952, and set as the first Thursday in May in 1988 - and OBTW, Thomas Jefferson and James Madison explicitly rejected state-sponsored prayer days.

    So, what are you so worked up about? First, the small-government crowd is outraged that a federal court would find an official federal prayer day problematic. (Americans need government to tell us when to pray? Only if you listen to the far-right.) Second, according to bizarre postings we'll soon see here, the story has morphed into President Obama “cancelling” the National Day of Prayer.
    First and foremost, not to say your wrong, but can you post some credible references to your statement that Jefferson and Madison rejected state sponsored prayer days?

    Secondly, the separation of church and state was for the purposes of religion not taking the wheel in government, so to speak. Historically, that sort of thing turns out badly. However, that does not change the fact that the founding fathers believed in God and founded our country on the good aspects of religious beliefs.

    Thirdly, taking Christianity as an example, the Bible, even if you don't believe in god, is a book of morals that stands the test of time and applies to every generation. Not even an Atheist can deny that. So why not have references to something that, not only our country was founded on, but that teaches people how to act and treat their fellow man?

    Personally, IMO, Christianity is the religion of the USA as much as English is the official language and SAE is the standard of measurement. Our founding fathers saw fit to make us free people, they wrote those documents to give you the freedom to believe the way you want to, not the freedom to dictate how the rest of us feel.

    This country was founded on Christianity, get over it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unfettered Might
    This country was founded on Christianity, get over it.
    IIRC, the first Europeans came to this country to escape religious persecution.
    Quote Originally Posted by Unfettered Might
    Should we also have a holiday for those that don't believe in Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny?
    Unless you are prepared to make similar holidays for Hindus, Atheists, Buddhists, Agnostics and Wiccans then you should realize the absurdity of that statement. How about a National Meditation Day, a National Spell day and a National No Religion Day? OBTW, nobody will be allowed to publicly pray on National No religion Day.

    Fact is, the country now "is" over it, and National Prayer day will be no more. I believe you sir, are the one who needs to "get over it."

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    Among the Founding Fathers there were NO Muslims, Buddhists, Jehovah's Witnesses nor do I think any atheists. They were primarily Christians and the religious persecution they were fleeing was of a state sponsored religion, the Church of England. That is why they included "Freedom OF Religion" in our Constitutional guarantees. Only those who are trying to revise history can say otherwise. Whether you "get over it" or not is irrelevant, but that IS still history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cocked _and_Locked View Post
    Unless you are prepared to make similar holidays for Hindus, Atheists, Buddhists, Agnostics and Wiccans then you should realize the absurdity of that statement. How about a National Meditation Day, a National Spell day and a National No Religion Day? OBTW, nobody will be allowed to publicly pray on National No religion Day.
    Still trying to turn a day of Observance into a Legal Holiday. Not the same. However...

    While this is pertinent to New Jersey and doesn't (necessarily) apply to the rest of the country, a quick Google search turned up the following celebrations, which represent Religious Holidays Permitting Pupil Absence from School! Since the National Day of Prayer does NOT constitute a recognized school holiday, these come even closer to your yardstick of being a Legal Holiday! Note the diversity:

    JULY 2010

    July 8

    Lailat al Miraj (Islam)

    July 9

    Martyrdom of the Bab (Baha’i)

    July 13-15

    Ulambana/Oban (Buddhist)

    July 20

    Tisha B’Av (Jewish)

    July 26

    Lailat al Bara’ah (Islam)
    Asalja Puja Day (Buddhist)

    AUGUST

    August 1

    Fast in Honor of the Holy Mother of Lord Jesus (Eastern Orthodox Christian)
    Lammas (Wicca)

    August 6

    The Transfiguration (Eastern Orthodox Christian)

    August 11

    Ramadan begins (Islam)

    August 15

    Dormition of the Theotokos (Eastern Orthodox Christian)
    Feast of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary (Christian)

    August 24

    Raksha Bandhan (Hindu)

    SEPTEMBER

    September 1

    Ecclesiastical Year begins (Orthodox Christian)

    September 2

    Krishna Janmashtami (Hindu)

    September 6

    Laylat as-Qadr (Islam)

    September 7

    His Holiness Sakya Trizin’s Birthday (Buddhist)

    September 8

    Nativity of Mary (Christian)
    Nativity of the Theotokos (Eastern Orthodox Christian)

    September 9

    Feast of Trumpets (Church of God, Philadelphia Church of God)

    September 9-10

    Rosh Hashanah (Jewish)

    September 10

    Eid al Fitr (Islam)

    September 11

    Ganesha Chaturthi (Hindu)

    September 14

    The Elevation of the Holy Cross (Eastern Orthodox Christian)

    September 18

    Yom Kippur (Jewish)
    Day of Atonement (Christian, Church of God, Philadelphia Church of God)

    September 23

    Mabon (Wicca)

    September 23-24

    Sukkot (Jewish)

    September 23-29

    Feast of Tabernacles (Church of God, Philadelphia Church of God)

    September 29

    Last Great Day (Church of God)

    September 30

    Shemini Atzeret (Jewish)
    Last Great Day (Philadelphia Church of God)

    OCTOBER

    October 1

    Simhat Torah (Jewish)

    October 8-16

    Navaratri (Hindu)

    October 17

    Duserra (Hindu)

    October 20

    Birth of B’ab (Baha’i)
    Installation of the Scriptures as Guru Granth (Sikh)

    NOVEMBER

    November 1

    All Saints’ Day (Christian)
    Samhain-Beltane (Wicca)

    November 2

    All Souls’ Day (Christian)

    November 5

    Diwali [Deepavali] (Hindu, Jain)

    November 12

    Birth of Baha’u’llah (Baha’i)

    November 15

    Nativity Fast begins (Eastern Orthodox Christian)
    Hajj Day (Islam)

    November 16

    Eid al Adha (Islam)

    November 21

    The Presentation of the Theotokos to the Temple (Eastern Orthodox Christian)
    Guru Nanak Dev Sahib Birthday (Sikh)

    November 24

    Guru Tegh Bahadur Martyrdom (Sikh)

    November 26

    Day of Covenant (Baha’i)

    November 28

    Ascension of ‘Abdu’l Baha (Baha’i)
    First Sunday of Advent (Christian)

    DECEMBER

    December 2-9

    Hanukkah (Jewish)

    December 8

    Bodhi Day (Buddhist)
    Immaculate Conception (Christian)
    Al Hijra – 1st Muharram (Islam)

    December 12

    Advent Fast begins (Easter Orthodox Christian)

    December 21

    Zarathosht Diso (Zoroastrian)
    Yule (Wicca)

    December 25

    Christmas (Christian)
    The Nativity of Christ (Eastern Orthodox Christian)

    JANUARY 2011

    January 1

    Gantan-sai (Shinto)

    January 5

    Birthday of Guru Gobind Singh Sahib (Sikh)

    January 6

    Epiphany (Christian)
    Feast of Theophany (Eastern Orthodox Christian)

    January 7

    Nativity of Christ (Orthodox Christian)

    January 13

    Maghi (Sikh)
    Makar Sankranti (Hindu)

    January 17

    World Religion Day (Baha’i)

    January 19

    Feast of Epiphany (Orthodox Christian)

    January 20

    Tu B’shvat (Jewish)

    FEBRUARY

    February 2

    The Presentation of Our Lord to the Temple (Eastern Orthodox Christian)
    Imbolic-Candlemas (Wicca)

    February 3

    Chinese New Year (Confucian, Daoist, Buddhist)

    February 8

    Vasant Panchami (Hindu)

    February 15

    Nirvana Day (Buddhist, Jain)
    Mawlid an Nabi (Islam)

    February 26 – March 1

    Intercalary Days (Baha'i)

    February 28

    Purim (Jewish)

    MARCH

    March 3

    Maha Shivaratri (Hindu)

    March 7

    Clean Monday (Eastern Orthodox Christian)

    March 8

    Shrove Tuesday (Christian)

    March 9

    Ash Wednesday (Christian)

    March 13

    L. Ron Hubbard’s Birthday (Church of Scientology)

    March 16

    Chandramana Yugadi (Hindu)

    March 19

    Magha Puja Day (Hindu)

    March 20

    Holi (Hindu)
    Hola Mohalla (Sikh)
    Ostara (Wicca)

    March 21

    Narouz (Zoroastrian)
    Naw Ruz (Baha’i)

    March 24

    Rami Navami (Hindu)

    March 25

    The Annunciation/The Annunciation of the Virgin Mary (Eastern Orthodox Christian; Christian)

    March 28

    Khordad Sal (Zoroastrian)

    March 30

    First Day of Unleavened Bread (Church of God)

    APRIL

    April 5

    First Day of Sacred Year (Philadelphia Church of God)
    Last Day of Unleavened Bread (Church of God)

    April 8

    Hanuman Jayanti (Jain)

    April 14

    Baisakhi (Sikh)
    Souramana Yugadi (Hindu)

    April 16

    Lazarus Saturday (Eastern Orthodox Christian)

    April 17

    Palm Sunday (Christian/Eastern Orthodox Christian)
    Mahavir Jayanti (Jain)

    April 18

    Hanuman Jayanti (Hindu)
    Lord’s Evening Meal (Christian, Jehovah’s Witness)
    Passover (Philadelphia Church of God)

    April 18-21

    Theravadin New Year (Buddhist)

    April 19-25

    Days of Unleavened Bread (Philadelphia Church of God)

    April 19-20

    Pesach (Jewish)

    April 21

    Holy Thursday (Christian, Eastern Orthodox Christian)
    First Day of Ridvan (Baha’i)

    April 22

    Good Friday (Christian)
    Holy Friday (Eastern Orthodox Christian)

    April 24

    Easter (Christian)
    Pascha (Eastern Orthodox Christian)

    April 25

    Easter Monday (Christian)

    April 25-26

    Concluding Days of Pesach (Jewish)

    April 21

    First Day of Ridvan (Baha’i)

    April 25

    The 11th Panchen Lama’s Birthday (Buddhist)

    April 29

    Ninth Day of Ridvan (Baha’i)

    MAY

    May 1

    Beltane (Wicca)

    May 2

    Twelfth Day of Ridvan (Baha’i)
    Buddha’s Birthday (Buddhist)

    May 9

    Yom Ha’Azmaut (Jewish)

    May 17

    Buddha Day – Visakha Puja (Buddhist)

    May 19-20

    Shavuot (Jewish)

    May 22

    Lag B’Omer (Jewish)

    May 23

    Declaration of the Bab (Baha’i)

    May 29

    Ascension of Baha’u’llah (Baha’i)

    JUNE

    June 2

    Ascension of Our Lord (Eastern Orthodox Christian)

    June 8-9

    Shavuot (Jewish)

    June 12

    Pentecost (Christian, Eastern Orthodox Christian, Philadelphia Church of God)

    June 16

    Martyrdom of Guru Arjan Dev Sahib (Sikh)

    June 21

    Litha (Wicca)

    June 26

    His Holiness the 17th Gyalawa Karmapa’s birthday (Buddhist)


    Still feel there should be "Special Holidays" for other religions?
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    Superb bit of research, Ektarr!
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    None of which have officially sanctioned recognition as does National Prayer Day. You will soon be able to add National Prayer Day to that list as it will have the equivalent status when this is over.

    Nice waste of space, alot of irrelevant information.

    Thanks Ektar!

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