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  1. #1261
    Quote Originally Posted by BC1 View Post
    The cause is pushed by everyone from the ACLU to progressive left groups. The entire hobby-lobby case was progressives pushing someone to act in contravention of their religious beliefs. Abortion is a democrat, liberal, progressive cause. You won't see the tea party advocating abortion. Read the hobby lobby SCOTUS decision. All your questions are answered in the opinion published by the court.
    Let me remind you, you accused atheists, specifically me, for forcing you to pay for abortions.
    Quote Originally Posted by BC1 View Post
    Fine, but don't ask me to pay for your abortion. Don't shove it don my throat.
    And in case you missed it, I agree with you about paying for abortions, but obviously you can't get past the fact I am an atheist, you sulk like a little kid.
    Quote Originally Posted by XD40scinNC View Post
    No, taxpayers should not be paying for it, or the premium cuts of meat I see them buying with their EBT card in the grocery store.
    But it is none of my damn business, or yours, if they choose to have an abortion, or pay for that premium cut of meat with their money.
    The next time you attempted to dodge the question you posted this nonsense. So you believe Hobby Lobby motivation is due to atheism?
    Quote Originally Posted by BC1 View Post
    Obamacare and Hobby Lobby
    It seems you have a choice, back that up with some facts, or your could retract that false accusation and apologize, nothing is being crammed down your throat by atheists.
    “Religion is an insult to human dignity. Without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things.
    But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.” ― Steven Weinberg

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    8 Clear Signs of a Compromising Church

    8 Clear Signs of a Compromising Church


    During the days of Nazi Germany there arose a Confessing Church movement that rose against the German Church movement, which became the religious arm of the Fascist Nazi Socialist movement. Of the 18,000 pastors in Germany during that time (from 1933 to 1945), less than 5,000 were aligned with the Confessing Church. Hence, only a remnant held fast to the biblical position with about half of the churches conforming due to political and societal pressure. Unfortunately, this demonstrates that, when push comes to shove, a large percentage of pastors, churches and so-called Christians will probably bow to pressure and allow the norms of culture to become their credo for Christianity.

    We see the same thing today in churches in the USA and beyond. With the accelerated pace of the attack on religious liberty today, there could develop a great divide in the church between confessing churches and compromising churches similar to what happened in Nazi Germany. This will not be a divide based on denominational affiliation but based on the degree of loyalty to biblical fidelity. It is sad but true that more and more believers will be compromising core biblical values and standards rather than be stigmatized or persecuted, and lose influence in society.

    In John 12:42-43 we see that many contemporaries of Jesus believed in Him but would not confess Him because they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.

    The following are contrasts between the confessing church and the compromising church.

    1. In the confessing church, Christ is over culture. The compromising church accommodates Christ to culture. The confessing church believes Jesus is Lord over all creation. Hence, they attempt to reflect Christ in every area of culture. The compromising church has a posture of accommodation. Hence, the Christ they believe in and preach is shaped by the culture they live in.

    2. The confessing church holds fast to the Word of God in spite of opposition. The compromising church alters the Word of God because of opposition. Soon in America it is quite possible that it will be illegal to preach from certain passages of the Bible dealing with human sexuality. Because of this, many will alter their theology to fit the culture while the confessing church will preach the Word of God in spite of governmental fines, penalties, lawsuits and even serving time in jail.

    3. The confessing church puts the kingdom of God above their culture and ethnicity. The compromising church puts their ethnicity before the kingdom of God. The German Church during the Nazi era put nationalism and their Aryan heritage above the Word of God. Many pastors and believers today view the Scriptures more through the lens of their ethnicity and national heritage than through a proper exegesis of Scripture.

    When, and if, our nation officially makes biblical Christianity illegal, we will soon see who will be the confessors and who will be the compromisers. In many ways, practicing biblical Christianity is already illegal when it comes to believers attempting to walk out their faith in the marketplace because private Christian-owned businesses do not have the same level of protection today as do local churches.

    4. The confessing church alters their methods of preaching. The compromising church alters the message they preach. While it is wise and biblical for the body of Christ to be relevant to culture regarding the preaching of the gospel, it should never put being relevant above being faithful. The compromising church puts being relevant before biblical faithfulness. Hence, they not only change the method of preaching but also the message they preach.

    5. The confessing church is a remnant in the minority of church and state. The compromising church wants to be in the mainstream of both church and state. The confessing church endures long seasons of feeling like aliens and strangers in their own communities. The compromising church wants to be in the mainstream of culture more than living in the divine flow of God's favor and presence.

    6. The confessing church is penalized by the state government. The compromising church is applauded by the state government. While the confessing church is hunted down and ostracized by the humanistic state, the compromising church is celebrated by the far-left radicals and used as a model of how church and state should function together.

    7. The confessing church prophetically speaks truth to power. The compromising church conforms to those in power. The confessing church knows that at various seasons in their existence they will not gain a lot of converts and/or experience societal transformation. The best they can do is to maintain a prophetic witness to the cultural elites and surrounding communities. Since the compromising church enjoys the power and prestige the elites grant them, they always conform rather than confront.

    8. The confessing church desires the praise of God. The compromising church desires the praise of men. Ultimately at the end of the day it boils down to this: Are we living for the praise of men or the praise of God? If things don't change in the coming days, we will be shocked at how many megachurches, mid-size churches and smaller churches compromise the word of God so they could continue to keep their doors open.

    At some point we will all have to stand the ultimate test, which is whether we desire God more than we love our lives, or whether we love our pleasures, conveniences and material goods more than God. Truly, if we confess Christ before men He will confess us before His Father in heaven, but if we deny Him before men He will deny us before His Father in heaven (Matt. 10:32-33).

    Joseph Mattera




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    But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XD40scinNC View Post
    Let me remind you, you accused atheists, specifically me, for forcing you to pay for abortions.

    And in case you missed it, I agree with you about paying for abortions, but obviously you can't get past the fact I am an atheist, you sulk like a little kid.

    The next time you attempted to dodge the question you posted this nonsense. So you believe Hobby Lobby motivation is due to atheism?

    It seems you have a choice, back that up with some facts, or your could retract that false accusation and apologize, nothing is being crammed down your throat by atheists.
    I just don't believe good Christians have abortions. One can't both believe in God and kill the life he gives. You're right. Rather than say atheist I should say non-religious types. I see photos of legally aborted fetuses and it's quite evident this is a human being. To me personally it's murder. I don't see abortion as a form of birth control. Many of the progressives argue it's nothing more than that.
    GOD, GUNS and GUITARS

  5. #1264
    Quote Originally Posted by GryHounnd View Post
    One mans opinion....one who gets entirely too wrapped up about all of this.
    I agree with BC1 and others...twisting and lying is not to be taken lightly. Your word is the mark of your integrity.

    sinful nature is always hostile to God....

  6. #1265
    Quote Originally Posted by BC1 View Post
    I just don't believe good Christians have abortions. One can't both believe in God and kill the life he gives. You're right. Rather than say atheist I should say non-religious types. I see photos of legally aborted fetuses and it's quite evident this is a human being. To me personally it's murder. I don't see abortion as a form of birth control. Many of the progressives argue it's nothing more than that.
    I haven't seen a single person here argue with you on this topic, including the atheists and generic term of non-believers, yet you still insist on painting atheists with the broad brush of being democrat, liberal and progressive when you hand was called you attempt to pin this on atheism.
    “Religion is an insult to human dignity. Without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things.
    But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.” ― Steven Weinberg

  7. #1266
    Quote Originally Posted by BC1 View Post
    I just don't believe good Christians have abortions.
    I don't believe "good christians" should demonstrate their bias, bigotry and hatred by judging others. After all your rule book says that you should not judge, least you be judged.
    I don't believe "good christians" should attempt to force the practice of their religion into the public (such ad demand prayer at public meetings, in public schools) when your rule book tells you to go to your room and close the door when you pray.

    I guess there just aren't that many "good" christians.
    “Religion is an insult to human dignity. Without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things.
    But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.” ― Steven Weinberg

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    Quote Originally Posted by XD40scinNC View Post
    I don't believe "good christians" should demonstrate their bias, bigotry and hatred by judging others. After all your rule book says that you should not judge, least you be judged.
    I don't believe "good christians" should attempt to force the practice of their religion into the public (such ad demand prayer at public meetings, in public schools) when your rule book tells you to go to your room and close the door when you pray.

    I guess there just aren't that many "good" christians.
    A lot of "good christians" have a problem with forgiveness too. But I know for a fact that real christians do exist who do take Christ's message to heart. They are better people than I am, and they're usually the quiet ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XD40scinNC View Post
    I haven't seen a single person here argue with you on this topic, including the atheists and generic term of non-believers, yet you still insist on painting atheists with the broad brush of being democrat, liberal and progressive when you hand was called you attempt to pin this on atheism.
    Yeah but XD you painted religious types as nut-jobs. Believers of fairy tales. Even thought Christians are as dangerous as muslim extremists.
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  10. #1269
    Did anyone see the Christian Extremeist who got killed trying to burn down the Mexican Consul in Texas last month?

    Texas Gunman Attacks Austin PD, Shoots Up Mexican Consulate and Tries to Burn it Down

    Christians have their own stripe of fundamentalist crackpots, but we don't like to talk about them. All terrorists are Mooslums!

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    John 8:44 NKJV
    You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.

    sinful nature is always hostile to God....

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