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  1. #1481
    Quote Originally Posted by Stan45 View Post
    God doesn't send anyone to Hell.
    God would beg to differ with you.

    2 Peter 2:4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment;

    Rev. 20:2-3
    2And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; 3and he threw him into the abyss, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he would not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were completed; after these things he must be released for a short time.

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    Proof. I'm looking for proof that there is no God. If you have it then provide a source. If you don't have then understand you merely have an opinion like everyone else. But for an atheist to think he's right without proof just shows the fallacies of the human mind.
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  4. #1483
    Quote Originally Posted by BC1 View Post
    If proof is required for everything, someone needs to prove there is no God. In the absence of such proof it's just ignorance.
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    The thread really got boring. The same argument going on page after page. No one on this planet knows the truth.
    Yep, and given the vast amounts of absoultly no evidence, it pretty much validates the lack of any gods, demons, and special places like hell. Got something to counter that, trot it out.
    “Religion is an insult to human dignity. Without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things.
    But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.” ― Steven Weinberg

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    Quote Originally Posted by XD40scinNC View Post
    Yep, and given the vast amounts of absoultly no evidence, it pretty much validates the lack of any gods, demons, and special places like hell. Got something to counter that, trot it out.
    It says nothing of the kind. It merely validates the flawed ability of the human mind to conceive or not conceive such thoughts. You can't make a case either way, thus the science isn't settled, thus, NO conclusion can be drawn, thus Einstein was an agnostic not an atheist. Huge difference. It's an absolutely ridiculous thing to keep arguing a point one can't prove, right? I'm not arguing a definitive point. I merely state my belief. The atheist argues as if the matter is settled because they can't, with the flaws of human intellect, conceive of anything else. I always tell people if they believe their thinking isn't flawed try software engineering. It's so flawed as to be comical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XD40scinNC View Post
    Yep, and given the vast amounts of absoultly no evidence, it pretty much validates the lack of any gods, demons, and special places like hell. Got something to counter that, trot it out.
    Try this one regarding evidence. What is a singularity? It is the point where mathematics, science and the physics that describe the natural world break down. Where does a singularity exist? Well, inside a black hole for one. But primarily, prior to the big-bang, a scientifically supported event. What mathematics and physics existed in pre-creation? No one has any idea. Were the rules of the natural world as expressed in physics the same or were there other variables? No one knows. But we do know the math breaks down. Our entire existence and everything we do or see is explained through physics; from what makes a curve-ball curve to what makes a nerve impulse travel through an organism. A singularity may exist anywhere quantum gravity comes into play or any place containing dark matter, which we know based on scientific evidence, exists. Perhaps another universe. And perhaps that other universe is completely separate from ours or perhaps not.
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    Consider this... Are there an infinite number of universes each contained in a bubble as in "foam theory?" Think of a sink full of dishwashing liquid and consider each of the millions of bubbles is a vast universe unto itself... containing billions of galaxies and it's own natural sciences that could be different from ours. Do the physics of any of those universes allow penetration into another universe? Does that mean there are parallel universes whereby certain knowledge can get you from one to the next? And who or what lives or exists in those universes? How old are those civilizations and what does their natural world look like in terms of mathematics? Neither you, I or anyone else knows. And until we do this is all speculation. Did someone come from somewhere else and guide ancient man? Would that someone be regarded as God? Isn't the old testament replete with references to UFO's? What ancient book discusses a phenomena of lights and craft in the sky with descriptions identical to those filmed and sighted regularly in modern times?
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    Was God a mathematician? A scientist? Did another being or group of beings from some other place influence primitive man to the extent of seeing them as God? Einstein was an agnostic because he couldn't explain any of this in physics. And no one else has been able to as well. Thus we have various theories as to how our natural world came to be. The knowledge on the subject is so small that anything is possible. It is very common for scientists to forget their own limitations.
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    This is way bigger than "sky daddy." Open your mind.
    GOD, GUNS and GUITARS

  7. #1486
    Quote Originally Posted by BC1 View Post
    Try this one regarding evidence. What is a singularity? It is the point where mathematics, science and the physics that describe the natural world break down. Where does a singularity exist? Well, inside a black hole for one. But primarily, prior to the big-bang, a scientifically supported event. What mathematics and physics existed in pre-creation? No one has any idea. Were the rules of the natural world as expressed in physics the same or were there other variables? No one knows. But we do know the math breaks down. Our entire existence and everything we do or see is explained through physics; from what makes a curve-ball curve to what makes a nerve impulse travel through an organism. A singularity may exist anywhere quantum gravity comes into play or any place containing dark matter, which we know based on scientific evidence, exists. Perhaps another universe. And perhaps that other universe is completely separate from ours or perhaps not.
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    Consider this... Are there an infinite number of universes each contained in a bubble as in "foam theory?" Think of a sink full of dishwashing liquid and consider each of the millions of bubbles is a vast universe unto itself... containing billions of galaxies and it's own natural sciences that could be different from ours. Do the physics of any of those universes allow penetration into another universe? Does that mean there are parallel universes whereby certain knowledge can get you from one to the next? And who or what lives or exists in those universes? How old are those civilizations and what does their natural world look like in terms of mathematics? Neither you, I or anyone else knows. And until we do this is all speculation. Did someone come from somewhere else and guide ancient man? Would that someone be regarded as God? Isn't the old testament replete with references to UFO's? What ancient book discusses a phenomena of lights and craft in the sky with descriptions identical to those filmed and sighted regularly in modern times?
    .
    Was God a mathematician? A scientist? Did another being or group of beings from some other place influence primitive man to the extent of seeing them as God? Einstein was an agnostic because he couldn't explain any of this in physics. And no one else has been able to as well. Thus we have various theories as to how our natural world came to be. The knowledge on the subject is so small that anything is possible. It is very common for scientists to forget their own limitations.
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    This is way bigger than "sky daddy." Open your mind.
    All good questions....but the leap from "I don't know what existed before the singularity" to "God did" has no basis. Just because we can't perceive or comprehend something does not mean a god existed. The singular god is an even more difficult concept to justify. Where would it come from? why only one? And if it made man in it's image, what was it doing with its equipment? Was there an Eve goddess for it to enjoy? Or did it just look down every now and then and wonder "what the heck is that stuff for?"

  8. Quote Originally Posted by GryHounnd View Post
    God would beg to differ with you.
    God does not send them. When a person rejects God they are really sending themselves.
    They can pick the wide highway or the narrow path. And there is a reward for each.
    “An armed society is a polite society.”

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    And yet it says God sent the angels and Satan to hell. God created everything, including Hell. Ergo, God sends his creations to hell

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  10. #1489
    Quote Originally Posted by BC1 View Post
    Try this one regarding evidence. What is a singularity? It is the point where mathematics, science and the physics that describe the natural world break down. Where does a singularity exist? Well, inside a black hole for one. But primarily, prior to the big-bang, a scientifically supported event. What mathematics and physics existed in pre-creation? No one has any idea. Were the rules of the natural world as expressed in physics the same or were there other variables? No one knows. But we do know the math breaks down. Our entire existence and everything we do or see is explained through physics; from what makes a curve-ball curve to what makes a nerve impulse travel through an organism. A singularity may exist anywhere quantum gravity comes into play or any place containing dark matter, which we know based on scientific evidence, exists. Perhaps another universe. And perhaps that other universe is completely separate from ours or perhaps not.
    .
    Consider this... Are there an infinite number of universes each contained in a bubble as in "foam theory?" Think of a sink full of dishwashing liquid and consider each of the millions of bubbles is a vast universe unto itself... containing billions of galaxies and it's own natural sciences that could be different from ours. Do the physics of any of those universes allow penetration into another universe? Does that mean there are parallel universes whereby certain knowledge can get you from one to the next? And who or what lives or exists in those universes? How old are those civilizations and what does their natural world look like in terms of mathematics? Neither you, I or anyone else knows. And until we do this is all speculation. Did someone come from somewhere else and guide ancient man? Would that someone be regarded as God? Isn't the old testament replete with references to UFO's? What ancient book discusses a phenomena of lights and craft in the sky with descriptions identical to those filmed and sighted regularly in modern times?
    .
    Was God a mathematician? A scientist? Did another being or group of beings from some other place influence primitive man to the extent of seeing them as God? Einstein was an agnostic because he couldn't explain any of this in physics. And no one else has been able to as well. Thus we have various theories as to how our natural world came to be. The knowledge on the subject is so small that anything is possible. It is very common for scientists to forget their own limitations.
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    This is way bigger than "sky daddy." Open your mind.
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    “Religion is an insult to human dignity. Without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things.
    But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.” ― Steven Weinberg

  11. For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. Romans 1:20
    “An armed society is a polite society.”

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