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  1. #151
    wolfhunter Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by Alaska444 View Post
    The difficutly with Hammers post is he is implying by unfounded reasoning that is how all Christians are. This is unmitigated bigotry. Any so called Christian acting in this manner is NOT acting in the manner of a Christian. Unfortunately, there are actually people that hate Christians so much that they will do a red flag operation against us in such a manner. I know of NO Christian principle that would ever justify that type of action. Indeed, we are to let our good works shine to proclaim the gospel.

    If you don't believe in red flag operations, you most likely will by the end of the summer after the opposition gets ahold of the opportunity at any upcoming Tea Party rallies.

    Lastly, go read the Bible and see if any of this sort of "evangelism" is advocated. The Bible states very clearly to shake the dust off of your feet if they do not recieve you. If you don't want to hear the gospel, then we have already given you the chance to hear it and we move on. IF you wish to die in your sins and pay for your sins yourself, so be it. We are not pushy salesmen sticking our feet in your door. I am one of those people that has knocked on many a door giving the gospel. Usually, if I see a sign that says no soliciting, I DON"T. That is the way God is, if you turn you back on Him, He will gladly turn His back on you. You get what you ask for with God. If you don't want to have anything to do with Him, He will honour that, but I do believe you have made the worst decision of your life.
    Alaska, YOU need to find a way to relax. I've given no cause for you to launch an attack on me. I will expect your apology in your next post.

    My point was that the "example" of a Christian witness that Hammer described would try anyone's patience, and leave a bad opinion behind. I am fully aware of red flag tactics, thank you.

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  3. Quote Originally Posted by wolfhunter View Post
    Alaska, YOU need to find a way to relax. I've given no cause for you to launch an attack on me. I will expect your apology in your next post.

    My point was that the "example" of a Christian witness that Hammer described would try anyone's patience, and leave a bad opinion behind. I am fully aware of red flag tactics, thank you.
    Dear wolfhunter, forgive me for any unintended insult against you. I was not careful to make sure that my use of YOU in the post above was a generic term not intended against you specifically. In such the last two paragraphs of my post were generic to anyone who would reject the Bible. I do apologize as requested and I will try to be more definitive in any future posts. No personal attack was intended.

    May God bless,

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    I'll agree that America is a good nation with predominantly good people of all backgrounds and beliefs that oftentimes gets screwed up by a few bad apples in every different bunch.

    But a Christian nation it is not.

  5. #154
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alaska444 View Post
    Dear wolfhunter, forgive me for any unintended insult against you. I was not careful to make sure that my use of YOU in the post above was a generic term not intended against you specifically. In such the last two paragraphs of my post were generic to anyone who would reject the Bible. I do apologize as requested and I will try to be more definitive in any future posts. No personal attack was intended.

    May God bless,
    I understand. It's all good. Sorry about being touchy. Normally I would have assumed the use of the generic "you". Don't know what got to me about this.

  6. #155
    IMO, once GOD determines that the U.S.A. is no longer a Christian nation, it's over! He WILL remove His protective hand from our country. With the way things are going, He just might have done it already. We ALL need to get on our knees, beg His forgiveness for our transgressions and ask Him to heal our land. If enough Christians do this, He WILL hear and answer our prayers. How do I know this? Because He promises it in scripture -- 2 Chronicles 7:14: "If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land" -- AND SINCE GOD CAN NOT TELL A LIE, HE PROMISES ARE GUARANTEED
    Conservative Wife & Mom -- I'm a Conservative Christian-American with dual citizenship...the Kingdom of God is my 1st home and the U.S.A. is my 2nd.

  7. #156
    Sorry I've been out of pocket for a bit, I'm going to try and catch up with the discussion by jumping on this first:

    Quote Originally Posted by Ringo View Post
    Christianity is not a religion. You're still confused
    Originally Posted by Cocked _and_Locked
    OK, I'll bite - what is it?

    Because I thought it was a a monotheistic religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth as presented in the New Testament.
    Christianity is a "faith", a faith in the Word Of God that He sent His only begotten Son to die on a cross for our sins, and anyone who believes His Word, in faith, shall not perish, but have everlasting life. Our eternal salvation in Heaven is achieved in our faith that Jesus payed the price for our sins with His shedding His Blood and dying on the cross in our place, reconciling us onto God. God's sacrificing of His Son on a cross was a GIFT to us out of His love for us. To receive God's gift of salvation, we must in faith accept the gift. A gift is not something you work for or can earn, it is a gift. Christianity is man getting to God, God's Way, One Way Only, through faith in His Son Jesus. As Jesus said, "no man comes to the Father except by Me".

    Religion is man trying to get to God, MAN'S WAY, through WORKS, any way imaginable except the GIFT of Christ's Shed Blood on the Cross. I've tried to keep it simple, hope it helps.

    I wanted to see for myself what the difference between religion and faith is because I am confused to how you are still trying to differentiate the two, so I looked it up here is what I found:

    Religion:
    –noun
    1.a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
    2.a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
    3.the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.
    4.the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.
    5.the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
    6.something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice.
    7.religions, Archaic. religious rites.
    8.Archaic. strict faithfulness; devotion: a religion to one's vow.

    Faith:
    –noun
    1.confidence or trust in a person or thing: faith in another's ability.
    2.belief that is not based on proof: He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
    3.belief in god or in the doctrines or teachings of religion: the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
    4.belief in anything, as a code of ethics, standards of merit, etc.: to be of the same faith with someone concerning honesty.
    5.a system of religious belief: the Christian faith; the Jewish faith.
    6.the obligation of loyalty or fidelity to a person, promise, engagement, etc.: Failure to appear would be breaking faith.
    7.the observance of this obligation; fidelity to one's promise, oath, allegiance, etc.: He was the only one who proved his faith during our recent troubles.
    8.Christian Theology. the trust in God and in His promises as made through Christ and the Scriptures by which humans are justified or saved.


    It appears to me that the two are words are interlocked together. You can have faith in something/anything, then when you put people of the same faiths together, they are a religion. So to say christianity is not a religion but a faith is wrong. christianity is a group of people that all have the same faith. (generalized to try and ignore all of the different branches and denominations of christianity... all of which are apparently faiths and none of which are religions... even though I'm sure that whichever denomination you are in, is better than another, and you are doing it right, and they are doing it wrong.)

  8. #157
    Religion: Man trying to work his way to God.
    Christianity: God reaching out to man. John3:16
    By faith Noah,being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear,prepared an ark to the saving of his house;by the which he condemned the world,and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith Heb.11:7

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    se·man·tics   /sɪˈmæntɪks/ Show Spelled[si-man-tiks] Show IPA
    –noun ( used with a singular verb )
    1. Linguistics.
    a. the study of meaning.
    b. the study of linguistic development by classifying and examining changes in meaning and form.
    2. Also called significs. the branch of semiotics dealing with the relations between signs and what they denote.
    3. the meaning, or an interpretation of the meaning, of a word, sign, sentence, etc.: Let's not argue about semantics.

    You can perform alll the study you want on it, don't change the fact that America is not a Christian nation, and no GOD living, dead, or otherwise has any say in the matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cocked _and_Locked View Post
    se·man·tics   /sɪˈmæntɪks/ Show Spelled[si-man-tiks] Show IPA
    –noun ( used with a singular verb )
    1. Linguistics.
    a. the study of meaning.
    b. the study of linguistic development by classifying and examining changes in meaning and form.
    2. Also called significs. the branch of semiotics dealing with the relations between signs and what they denote.
    3. the meaning, or an interpretation of the meaning, of a word, sign, sentence, etc.: Let's not argue about semantics.

    You can perform alll the study you want on it, don't change the fact that America is not a Christian nation, and no GOD living, dead, or otherwise has any say in the matter.
    Let's see...says you...says God. Hmmm...I'll take God. I don't believe I'll be the one to tell Him personally that He has no say in the matter. You be sure to do it.
    Prov. 27:3 - "Stone is heavy and sand a burden, but provocation by a fool is heavier than both"

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Cocked _and_Locked View Post
    se·man·tics   /sɪˈmæntɪks/ Show Spelled[si-man-tiks] Show IPA
    –noun ( used with a singular verb )
    1. Linguistics.
    a. the study of meaning.
    b. the study of linguistic development by classifying and examining changes in meaning and form.
    2. Also called significs. the branch of semiotics dealing with the relations between signs and what they denote.
    3. the meaning, or an interpretation of the meaning, of a word, sign, sentence, etc.: Let's not argue about semantics.

    You can perform alll the study you want on it, don't change the fact that America is not a Christian nation, and no GOD living, dead, or otherwise has any say in the matter.
    Was America a Christian nation in 1780? Absolutely. When it became pagan is the real debate of when America changed in meaning and form.

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