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    Merry Christmas to All

    To All My Liberal and Democrat Friends.

    Please accept with no obligation, implied
    or implicit, my best wishes for an environmentally conscious, socially
    responsible, low-stress, non-addictive, gender-neutral celebration of
    the winter solstice holiday, practiced within the most enjoyable
    traditions of the religious persuasion of your choice, or secular
    practices of your choice, with respect
    for the religious/secular persuasion and/or traditions of others, or
    their choice not to practice religious or secular traditions at all.

    I also wish you a fiscally successful, personally fulfilling and medically uncomplicated recognition of the onset of the generally accepted
    calendar year 2012, but not without due respect for the calendars of
    choice of other cultures whose contributions to society have helped make America great.

    Not to imply that America is necessarily greater than
    any other country nor the only America in the Western Hemisphere.

    Also, this wish is made without regard to the race, color , creed, age,
    physical ability, religious faith or sexual preference.

    To My Conservative and Republican Friends:

    Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year

    Chuck
    “Every step we take towards making the State our Caretaker of our lives, by that much we move toward making the State our Master.” – Dwight D. Eisenhower

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunnerbob View Post
    Thank you Ringo.
    God is good, I know you'll be blessed.
    The Most Important Thing That You Can Do In This Life, Is To Determine "WHERE" You Will "LIVE" In The Next Life.

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    Those of You Born 1930 - 1979

    Those of You Born
    1930 - 1979


    At the end of this Email is a quote of the month by Jay Leno.. If you don't read anything else, PleaseRead what he Said.
    Very well stated, Mr. Leno.
    TO ALL THE KIDS WHO SURVIVED THE
    1930's, 40's, 50's, 60's and 70's!


    First, we survived being born to mothers
    Who smoked and/or drank while they were
    Pregnant.
    They took aspirin, ate blue cheese dressing,
    Tuna from a can and didn't get tested for diabetes.


    Then after that trauma, we were put to sleep on our tummies in baby cribs covered with bright colored lead-base paints.


    We had no childproof lids on medicine bottles,
    Locks on doors or cabinets and when we rode
    Our bikes, we had baseball caps not helmets on our heads.



    As infants & children,
    We would ride in cars with no car seats,
    No booster seats, no seat belts, no air bags, bald tires and sometimes no brakes.



    Riding in the back of a pick-up truck on a warm day
    Was always a special treat.


    We drank water
    From the garden hose and not from a bottle.


    We shared one soft drink with four friends,
    From one bottle and no one actually died from this.


    We ate cupcakes, white bread, real butter and bacon..
    We drank Kool-Aid made with real white sugar.
    And, we weren't overweight.
    WHY?


    Because we were
    Always outside playing...that's why!

    We would leave home in the morning and play all day,
    As long as we were back when the
    Streetlights came on.
    No one was able
    To reach us all day. And, we were O.K.

    We would spend hours building our go-carts out of scraps
    And then ride them down the hill, only to find out
    We forgot the brakes. After running into the bushes
    a few times, we learned to solve the problem.

    We did not have Playstations, Nintendo's and X-boxes.
    There were no video games, no 150 channels on cable,
    No video movies or DVD's, no surround-sound or CD's,
    No cell phones, No personal computers, no Internet and no chat rooms. WE HAD FRIENDS
    And we went outside and found them!

    We fell out of trees, got cut, broke bones and teeth
    And there were no lawsuits from these accidents.


    We ate worms and mud pies made from dirt,
    And the worms did not live in us
    Forever.


    We were given BB guns for our 10th birthdays,
    Made up games with sticks and tennis balls and,
    Although we were told it would happen,
    We did not put out very many eyes.

    We rode bikes or walked to a friend's house and
    Knocked on the door or rang the bell, or just
    Walked in and talked to them.

    Little League had tryouts and not everyone made the team.
    Those who didn't had to learn to deal
    With disappointment.
    Imagine that!!


    The idea of a parent bailing us out if we broke the law
    Was unheard of.
    They actually sided with the law!

    These generations have produced some of the best
    Risk-takers, problem solvers and inventors ever.


    The past 50 years
    Have been an explosion of innovation and new ideas.
    We had freedom, failure, success and responsibility,
    and we learned how to deal with it all.


    If YOU are one of them?
    CONGRATULATIONS!
    You might want to share this with others
    who have had the luck to grow up as kids, before the
    lawyers and the government regulated so much of our lives
    for our own good .


    While you are at it, forward it to your kids so they will know
    how brave and lucky their parents were.

    Kind of makes you want to run through the house
    with scissors, doesn't it ?


    The quote of the
    month is by Jay Leno:
    "With hurricanes, tornados, fires out of control,
    mud slides, flooding, severe thunderstorms
    tearing up the country from one end to another,
    and with the threat of swine flu
    and terrorist attacks.
    Are we sure this is a good time
    to take God out of the Pledge of Allegiance?'

    For those that prefer to think that God is not watching over us.. ..go ahead and delete this.


    For the rest of
    us...pass this on.
    A Small Prayer!

    God determines who walks into your life....it's up to you to decide who you let walk away, who you let stay, and who you refuse to let go.

    I need this back. If you'll do this for me, I'll do it for you.


    When there is nothing left but God, that is when you find out that God is all you need. Take 60 seconds and give this a shot! All you do is simply say the following small prayer for the person who sent you this.

    Father,
    God bless my friend in whatever it is that You know they may need this day!
    And may their life be full of your peace, prosperity, and power
    as he/she seeks to have a closer relationship with you.
    Amen.
    “Every step we take towards making the State our Caretaker of our lives, by that much we move toward making the State our Master.” – Dwight D. Eisenhower

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    I believe it was Friedrich Nietzsche who said something to the effect of: Without "God", or the belief in one, without a belief in ethics and values from such a belief people place themselves into the same category as the "animals". That without a belief in a "higher power", man is no different than everything else on the planet. We are no better or worse than anything else, and hence this belief, we would fall to more primative ways(like cannibalism and such)...

    So, with Christianity, as long as people interpret it FOR good... it produces good, and keeps man... civilized. So, my personal beliefs aside... A belief in "something" higher than one's self is crucial to man remaining civil.

    Interesting quotes:

    God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?
    —Nietzsche, The Gay Science, Section 125,

    "If God as the suprasensory ground and goal of all reality is dead, if the suprasensory world of the ideas has suffered the loss of its obligatory and above it its vitalizing and upbuilding power, then nothing more remains to which man can cling and by which he can orient himself."
    ~Heidegger, Martin - The Word of Nietzsche

    And,

    Moral nihilism, also known as ethical nihilism, is the meta-ethical view that morality does not exist as something inherent to objective reality; therefore no action is necessarily preferable to any other.

    For example, a moral nihilist would say that killing someone, for whatever reason, is not inherently right or wrong. Other nihilists may argue not that there is no morality at all, but that if it does exist, it is a human and thus artificial construction, wherein any and all meaning is relative for different possible outcomes. As an example, if someone kills someone else, such a nihilist might argue that killing is not inherently a bad thing, bad independently from our moral beliefs, only that because of the way morality is constructed as some rudimentary dichotomy, what is said to be a bad thing is given a higher negative weighting than what is called good: as a result, killing the individual was bad because it did not let the individual live, which was arbitrarily given a positive weighting. In this way a moral nihilist believes that all moral claims are false.
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    and how america was 'christianized'
    gun control is being able to hit your target

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    The information you are putting out about the Church influence is a story written by Kevin D. Annett a Canadian writer and former minister of the United Church of Canada. He has authored two books about Canadian aboriginals: Love and Death in the Valley and Hidden from History: The Canadian Holocaust

    I am passing on the history of Indians in Canada, and it looks like the Government was more involved than the Church.

    I agree there are a few bad people in every congregation.

    But Churches have done a whole lot more good than bad.

    We all know Canada, just like America have done many wrongs but with the help of God, The Church and the Majority of the People we have never stopped righting our wrongs.

    1620: a Franciscan order opened the first boarding school at Notre Dame des Abeges near Quebec City [closed 1629]

    1636: Jesuits opened boarding school

    1668: Ursuline nuns opened a boarding school for girls

    1680: Boarding school failed

    1763: End of Seven Years War [British conquer French, Algonquins lose French as allies]

    1763: Royal Proclamation [drew a line separating Indian tribal lands from those forming part of the colonies, and initiated an orderly process whereby Indian land could be purchased for settlement or development. The Crown established itself as the Indian protector.]

    1787: New England Company opened the Sussex Vale school in New Brunswick

    1790s: American-based Methodist Episcopal church first entered Upper Canada

    1812: War of 1812 and Tecumseh’s resistance [end of Aboriginal people as military allies and as a military threat]

    1821: Committee on Indian Affairs formed by Methodist preachers from the church’s Genesee Conference to which Upper Canada belonged as a district. Most of the attendees did not believe that “Indians” could be Christianized.

    1823: Peter Jones (Mississauga First Nations) converts to Methodist Church.

    1826: Egerton Ryerson first ordained Methodist missionary to the Credit River Indians

    1820s: Flood of British settlers began in Upper Canada [Between 1813-1828, York's (Toronto) population nearly tripled to over 2,000, by the 1850's, the population soared to 40,000]

    1829: Mohawk Institute established at Six Nations by the New England Company

    1830: Shift of jurisdiction over Aboriginal affairs from military to civilian authorities

    1830s: Removal Policies in U.S. and Canada
    1845: Government report to the Legislative Assembly of Upper Canada recommends that Indian boarding schools be set up

    1846: Orillia Conference (Ontario)

    1847: Indian Affairs consults with Rev. Egerton Ryerson on setting up Indian Industrial Schools

    1857: Gradual Civilization Act passed [main focus became education as part of assimilation]

    1867: British North America Act [Legislation was passed under the act that abolished traditional Aboriginal government]

    1870s: Between 1871 and 1887 the government concluded seven “numbered treaties” in the West that established a basis for Indian Policy on the prairies. Aboriginal people wanted to secure their livelihood and lands before settlers arrived

    1876: Canada adapted the Indian Act which gave the DIA the power exercise virtually complete control over the personal, political, social and economic life of Aboriginal people

    1879: Disappearance of buffalo

    1879: Under John A. Macdonald’s government:Regina MP Nicholas Flood Davin recommend removing Indian children from their “evil surroundings”. The US Industrial Schools of the United States were modeled after a prison commanded by Lt. Richard Henry Pratt, whose motto was, “the only good Indian is a dead Indian” … “Kill the Indian in him and save the man”

    1880s: Churches started to build schools across Canada

    1884: Sir John A. McDonald introduces a bill to Parliament. The 3rd clause criminalizes the potlach [part of religious/cultural/political ceremonies] as a misdemeanor.

    1885: Indian Pass System [need a pass to leave or enter a reservation]

    1885: Riel Rebellion in Manitoba [grievances started in 1869: change in the transfer of Hudson Bay lands to the Dominion]:
    Other Cree chiefs who fought largely because the government had failed to live up to its treaty promises were hanged with Riel

    1889: Indian Affairs department held firm to Davin’s industrial model

    1892: Per Capita Grant for Aboriginal students [treaty requirements]

    1896: the Canadian government funded 45 church-run residential schools across Canada

    1904: The DIA issued two policies in consideration of western Canada to bring about quicker Indian assimilation which consisted of suppressing savage customs and improving Indian education and to reduce Indian reserves for the benefit of the expected setters [First Nations were pressured to give up portions of their reserves]

    1907: Montreal Star and Saturday Night reports on medical inspection of the schools

    1907: Indian Affairs Chief Medical Officer, Dr. P.H. Bryce, submits the Bryce Report

    1912: 3,904 aboriginal children in residential/industrial schools

    1920: Duncan Campbell Scott, Deputy Superintendent of Indian Affairs (1913-1932), recommends Bill 14 which restated the government? right to compel attendance at Indian Residential Schools

    “I want to get rid of the Indian problem. I do not think as a matter of fact, that this country ought to continuously protect a class of people who are able to stand alone. That is my whole point. Our Object is to continue until there is not a single Indian in Canada that has not been absorbed into the body politic, and there is no Indian question, and no Indian department and that is the whole object of this Bill. [Education is in the forefront of their requirements now.]”

    1930: 75% of the all Aboriginal children between the ages of 7-15 in residential schools

    1932: 8,213 aboriginal children in residential/industrial schools

    1938: The per capita grant issued for Aboriginal students was $180 [similar institution for non-Aboriginal in US and Manitoba were $294 to $642]

    1943: Recommendation made to integrate Aboriginal students in provincial schools

    1945: 9,149 registered with only slightly over 100 students in grades over Grade 8

    1946-48: A special Joint Committee of the Senate and the House of Commons recommended that First Nation Children be educated in mainstream schools wherever and whenever possible.

    By 1948: 60% of Indian school population was enrolled in federal schools. But in 1969, 60% were in provincial schools. The number was reduced from 72 schools with 9368 to 52 schools with 7704.

    1949: Canada signed the United Nations Genocide Convention on Nov. 28th and adopted it by a unanimous vote in Parliament on Nov. 21, 1952. Residential Schools continued to operate for some 30 years after Canada signed the Convention.

    Article 2: In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such
    (a) Killing members of the group;
    (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
    (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
    (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
    (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

    1951: Half-day system of school abandoned

    1951: Recommendation that pedagogy be changed to one that would be more familiar to the children, but this was not acted upon by the government.

    1956: Government began to look for parental input into education [parents themselves who had gone through the residential schools and were dysfunctional as a result]

    By 1959: Number of Grade 9 – 13 has increased from 0 to 2144, in the next decade it rose 6834

    1969: Federal government completely took over management or closed all of the United Church-related schools

    1970s: Schooling became the “battleground” for First Nations self government concerns.

    1970: Blue Quills Residential School in northern Alberta became the first school to come under control of a First nation.

    1972: National Indian Brotherhood of Canada called for an end to federal control of First nation schooling. (18) the National Indian Brotherhood (now the Assembly of First Nations) presented the government with its paper entitled Indian Control of Indian Education.

    1983: Last residential school in Canada was closed.

    1980s: Stories of the victimization of Aboriginal/non-Aboriginal residential school students began to surface.

    1986: Apology made to Native Congregations by General Council

    1988: Assembly of First Nations published another report, recommending still greater control of their children’s education. Tradition and Education: Towards a Vision of Our Future called for the transfer of federal and provincial jurisdiction over First Nations education to First Nations control.

    1992-3: Nuu-chah-nulth Tribal Council in BC conducted a research study of the effects of residential schooling on their members. They identified a range of physical, sexual and psychological abuses.

    1995: First Nations managed over 80 percent of the department’s education budget and 98 percent of on-reserve schools were under First Nations control.

    Prepared by Lynn Jondreville (Trinity-St. Paul’s United Church) and Chang Lee (Marsville and Mimosa Pastoral Charge)
    “Every step we take towards making the State our Caretaker of our lives, by that much we move toward making the State our Master.” – Dwight D. Eisenhower

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldgrunt View Post
    For those who do not believe in Biblical prophecy, you are missing out on the markers of our demise.
    Thought you might find this interesting.
    America in Last Days Prophecy
    The Most Important Thing That You Can Do In This Life, Is To Determine "WHERE" You Will "LIVE" In The Next Life.

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    it's a book of spells and so long the masses are under them their playbook will easily be played out in real time
    gun control is being able to hit your target

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    God governs in the affairs of men

    Mr. President:

    The small progress we have made after 4 or five weeks close attendance & continual reasonings with each other — our different sentiments on almost every question, several of the last producing as many noes as ays, is methinks a melancholy proof of the imperfection of the Human Understanding. We indeed seem to feel our own wont of political wisdom, since we have been running about in search of it. We have gone back to ancient history for models of government, and examined the different forms of those Republics which having been formed with the seeds of their own dissolution now no longer exist. And we have viewed Modern States all round Europe, but find none of their Constitutions suitable to our circumstances.

    In this situation of this Assembly groping as it were in the dark to find political truth, and scarce able to distinguish it when to us, how has it happened, Sir, that we have not hitherto once thought of humbly applying to the Father of lights to illuminate our understandings? In the beginning of the contest with G. Britain, when we were sensible of danger we had daily prayer in this room for the Divine Protection. — Our prayers, Sir, were heard, and they were graciously answered. All of us who were engaged in the struggle must have observed frequent instances of a Superintending providence in our favor. To that kind providence we owe this happy opportunity of consulting in peace on the means of establishing our future national felicity. And have we now forgotten
    that powerful friend? or do we imagine that we no longer need His assistance.

    I have lived, Sir, a long time and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth — that God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without his aid? We have been assured, Sir, in the sacred writings that “except the Lord build they labor in vain that build it.” I firmly believe this; and I also believe that without his concurring aid we shall succeed in this political building no better than the Builders of Babel: We shall be divided by our little partial local interests; our projects will be confounded, and we ourselves shall be become a reproach and a bye word down to future age. And what is worse, mankind may hereafter this unfortunate instance, despair of establishing Governments by Human Wisdom, and leave it to chance, war, and conquest.

    I therefore beg leave to move — that henceforth prayers imploring the assistance of Heaven, and its blessings on our deliberations, be held in this Assembly every morning before we proceed to business, and that one or more of the Clergy of this City be requested to officiate in that service.

    –Benjamin Franklin, June 28, 1787
    “Every step we take towards making the State our Caretaker of our lives, by that much we move toward making the State our Master.” – Dwight D. Eisenhower

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    This country was founded on principles of the Jewish and Christian faith. Anyone who says otherwise are foolish.
    Sadly many today do not follow these teachings and it is obvious that we are moving in the wrong direction.

    Quote Originally Posted by JJFlash View Post
    ~snip~

    My "thick head" is an effective shield against your "big mouth".
    BEST QUOTE EVER??? Maybe not, but it is close.
    When i get home i am copying this to my sig.

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