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  1. #801
    Quote Originally Posted by XD40scinNC View Post
    Good, then we have to listen to less of the nonsense of sky daddies and the other trappings of the oldest urban legend ever.

    I would tell you that 'one day' (code for you kicked the bucket), you won't know you were wrong, for you will just cease to exist, just like the mosquito you swatted earlier today.

    And why would you drag someone to an alter, it is just some non-functional furniture that is part of the trappings of your urban legend. Isn't it really for the 'show' and yet doesn't your bible tell you that your chats with sky daddy should be private and not paraded out in the attempt to impress others.
    Matthew 12:37 NIV

    For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.”

    sinful nature is always hostile to God....

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    America "IS" A Christian Nation... REALLY?


    We as a nation have turned our back on God. We have kicked Him out of our schools and out of the public arena. We have declared Him to be off-limits. We have given the boot to the very One who made us great and showered us with blessings. We are in the process of becoming a thoroughly secular and pagan nation. And in the process, we are courting the wrath of God.

    Since 1973, we have murdered our babies in their mothers' wombs at the rate of 4,000 a day, totaling nearly 60 million, and their blood cries out for vengeance.
    We consume more than one-half of all the illegal drugs produced in the world, yet we constitute only 5% of the world's population.

    We spend $2.8 billion dollars per year on Internet pornography, which is more than half the world total of $4.9 billion.

    Our rate of cohabiting partners has increased tenfold since 1960, totaling over 12 million unmarried partners today.

    Our divorce rate is the highest of any nation in the world.

    Forty percent of our children are born to unmarried women.

    Our number one drug problem is alcohol, producing over 17.6 million adults who are alcoholics or who have alcohol problems.

    Our nation has become a debt junkie, leading the world in both government debt and personal debt.

    Blasphemy of God's name, His Word, and His Son has become commonplace in our media.

    We are the moral polluter of planet earth through the distribution of our immoral, violent and blasphemous television programs and movies.

    We have forsaken the nation of Israel, demanding that they surrender their heartland and divide their capital city.

    We have become a nation that calls good evil and evil good. And we are paying the price:

    Our schools have become arenas of deadly violence.

    Our prison population is increasing exponentially, from 500,000 in 1980 to over 2.5 million today. Over 7.2 million of our people are under some form of correctional supervision.

    Over 1.5 million of our women are reported victims of domestic violence each year, and it is estimated that the majority of cases are never reported.

    We are currently averaging over 3 million child abuse cases each year, involving 6 million children.

    We experience more than 12 million crimes every year, more than any other nation in the world.

    Teen violence has increased exponentially, with youngsters killing each other over tennis shoes.

    Gangs are terrorizing our cities.

    Even the nicest of our neighborhoods are no longer safe, requiring us to protect our homes with security systems and weapons.

    Our money is becoming increasingly worthless.

    Our economy is being choked to death by a pile of debt that is beyond comprehension.

    Our major corporations and labor unions are in bondage to greed.

    Our society has become deeply divided, splintered among competing groups defined by racial, religious and economic factors.

    Our families are being destroyed by an epidemic of divorce.

    Our entertainment industry consists of vulgarians amusing barbarians.

    Our universities and media outlets are controlled by radical leftists who hold God in contempt.

    Our federal government has become top-heavy with bureaucrats who are insensitive to taxpayers.

    Our politicians have become more concerned with power than service.

    All levels of government have become increasingly oppressive, seeking to regulate every aspect of our lives.

    Taxation has become confiscatory in nature.

    Our legal system has been hijacked by activists who desire to impose their will on the people, regardless of what the people desire.

    Our freedom of speech is being threatened by "hate crime" legislation.

    Our society has become star-stuck, more interested in celebrities than people of integrity.

    Our churches are caught up in an epidemic of apostasy as they set aside the Word of God in an effort to cozy up to the world and gain its approval.

    We are experiencing one major natural disaster after another in unprecedented volume and ferocity.

    We have become afflicted with a plague of sexual perversion, producing an army of hard core militant homosexuals.

    In summary, we are a people who have become desensitized to sin, and in the process, we have forgotten how to blush.




    Those People Who Will Not Be Governed By God Will Be Ruled By Tyrants.
    ~William Penn ~
    ~ God Hates Religion ~
    But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.

  4. Summary of the above: Here is a mixture of real, fabricated, exaggerated, and meaningless areas of concern. Therefore our government needs to run according to my interpretation of the bible (but we won't call it a theocracy), and people need to live according to my interpretation of the bible. The results will outweigh the near-return to the dark ages as women and homosexuals, and most others lose their constitutionally-guaranteed rights, as education stops educating, as science dies, as medicine regresses, and as America becomes even more the laughing stock of the civilized world than the evangelicals, pentecostals, snake-handlers, and others, and our sympathizers have already made it.

  5. #804
    You do not have the RIGHT to do what is wrong. ~Allen Keys~

    sinful nature is always hostile to God....

  6. #805
    Well there you have it!!! Don't want the rest of the world to think we are to conservative and behind the times. All the haters will surely be there when it gets real bad....come on you know they will! They have no moral foundation but....we can trust them to do the right thing.

    sinful nature is always hostile to God....

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    False Prophets


    “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thorn bushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them (Matt. 7:15-20). The context here is false prophets and the harm they cause. He was saying that just as bad trees cannot produce good fruit, false prophets can not produce true believers. And like bad trees will be cut down and burned, false prophets will also face the fires of judgment. Had Jesus been talking about judging other believers by what we perceive to be the fruitfulness of their life, He would have been contradicting what He said at the beginning of the chapter, so we know these verses are not for general application. They refer specifically to false prophets.

    “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’ (Matt. 7:21-23) People who inject human works into the salvation equation miss two critical points in this passage too. First, they say that even though we call Him “Lord” we won’t enter the kingdom unless we do his will. By that they mean even if we’ve asked the Lord to save us, unless we stop sinning we could still go to hell. But is that what the Bible says? In John 6: 29 Jesus said the work God requires of us is to believe in the one He sent, and in John 6:40 He said His father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life. Belief in the Son is the will of His Father who is in Heaven. Second, they don’t realize that Jesus was not making a general statement here. Remember, He was talking about false prophets. Some of them will claim to have done great things in His name, but He will send them away, saying that He never knew them. Notice He didn’t say He knew them once but no longer does, as if they originally had a relationship with Him but lost it. He said He never knew them because they’ve never had a relationship with Him. He was saying they have failed to do His father’s will concerning the one thing God requires of us. They won’t have looked to the Son and believed in His name.

    The Wise And Foolish Builders

    “Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash” (Matt. 7:24-27) Our Lord's teachings are meant to instruct us on living the Christian life. Nothing about them is impossible for us to do. Applying these teachings allows us to build our faith on a firm foundation like the man who builds his house on bedrock. When trials and persecution come, our faith will be sufficient to see us through.
    ~ God Hates Religion ~
    But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vernsimpson View Post
    I do not judge anyone. I will tell anyone when I believe they are wrong! I also will not preach to anyone. What I try to do on any subject is leave them with something to ponder later when they think about our conversation. Each person must make the decision themselves. The only thing I can do is to try to show them where the door is, they must go through it themselves. IF they go through the door GREAT but if they choose not to I will feel sad.
    Judging Others


    “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye (Matt. 7:1-5).


    This passage is about whether we as individual believers have the right to inspect the life of another believer using standards we our selves don’t meet to render a judgment about him or her. We may not commit the same sins as another person but that does not make us any less a sinner and we need to constantly remind ourselves of that fact. There’s no question that certain behavior is not appropriate for Christians, but until we have our own sins under control, judging someone else for theirs just makes us hypocrites. The old saying, “It’s a case of the pot calling the kettle black” comes to mind.

    “Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces (Matt. 7:6).

    Here I think the Lord changed His focus to unbelievers to advise us against using Scripture to rebuke them for their behavior as well. He said the likely result is that we’ll just arouse their anger and could provoke a confrontation we can’t win. Don’t misunderstand Him here. He wasn’t calling unbelievers dogs and pigs. He was using an analogy. The dogs and pigs symbolize a different type from us. Sacred things and pearls symbolize His Word, holy and valuable. But just as sacred things and pearls are not prized by animals, neither is His word prized by unbelievers. The unbelievers we want to rebuke intuitively know that what they are doing is wrong because the requirements of God’s law are written on their hearts (Romans 2:14-15). But they know that we are sinners too, and when we act as if our sins don’t matter while theirs do, our hypocrisy just makes things worse. Paul said the behavior of unbelievers is really none of our business. The Church should be focused on maintaining proper standards of behavior within the fellowship (1 Cor. 5:9-13).
    ~ God Hates Religion ~
    But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.

  9. #808
    Quote Originally Posted by Oldgrunt View Post
    Vern: We have to have patience when dealing with others. If you have noticed, it is the unbelievers who are the rudest in their comments on here and insulting to the Nth degree. If we respond to them in kind, we accomplish nothing. On the contrary, we have only incited them to be more profane. They don't seem to realize that every word they use against God will come back to haunt them at their judgement. It doesn't cost me a thing to use a little patience knowing that by doing so, I may cause someone to stop and think about what they are doing to themselves. As one person on here likes to continually talk about a loving God deliberately sending someone to hell for their sins, he hasn't stopped to think that God hasn't sentenced him to hell. He has chosen hell all by himself by not accepting Jesus as his Savior. He seems to be totally unaware that Jesus died on the cross to atone for his sins and all the others in this world. He can deny Jesus if he wants, that is because he was granted free will by God. Consequently, he dictates his own outcome, reward or punishment. The concept of salvation is such a simple thing. John 3:16 and Acts 16:31 are two passages which give us our promise of salvation but they are too profound in their simplicity for some to accept. So....to get across to some people, patience bears more fruit than does a shouting match and I just keep plugging away. God bless and let's keep plugging away!
    Again, you seem to suffer the very same lack of comprehension of most theists. I have nothing against your god, or any other god, for they just don't exist. To hate a god is as absurd as hating the easter bunny, the tooth fairy, or santa.

    However the hatred, wars, killing and ignorance of believers in these gods is the greatest threat to the future of civilization on the planet. People have, do, and will continue to kill defending an imaginary deity, and that is just plain sick, demented, and totally ignorant. Doubt that, turn on the new, read the paper.

    I'm going to assume that you no longer believe in Santa, hope I'm right. Take all the hate you demonstrate against atheists, and replace god and jesus with santa and his elves, and attack you with what you are so eager to tell others about your imaginary friend.
    “Religion is an insult to human dignity. Without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things.
    But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.” ― Steven Weinberg

  10. #809
    XD40inNC: You, sir, are incorrect in that I hate atheists. I will admit that I do not understand how anyone can deny God in light of all the evidence to prove His existence. The only hate I perceive here is in the things that you continually write against Christians. Personally, I would not pressure you into believing in any deity. I adhere to the teachings of the Bible and there is a passage that says that we are called by the Lord. Maybe you weren't at home at the time but the call is continually being made. I still question why, if you are so dead set against Christianity or belief in any deity, you continue to become involved in the discussions on here. Could it be that you just want to stir up something or, could it be that your spirit is being worked on and you are fighting the call? For whatever reason, I do not hate you for being an unbeliever. That is your choice just as believing in God is mine.

  11. XDS40inNC--Many non-thinking people here "hate" atheists but Oldgrunt is neither a non-thinker nor a "hater." He certainly doesn't respect atheism and might not respect us atheists (religious friends including some who are evangelicals constantly remind me that many of them can't respect anybody whose take on religion differ from their own but regard that as separate from respecting nonbelievers' right to make a choice--and most can fully respect the nonbeliever on matters other than religion and all that entails) but he has shown pretty consistently that he respects others' right to believe or not believe. Eidolon's position seems to be pretty much the same as Oldgrunt's. They're both smart and articulate--maybe there's hope they will join us someday <g>!

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