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    Quote Originally Posted by XD40scinNC View Post
    Common sense and just a tiny bit of knowledge about science is all that is needed to refute nonsense.

    That is a question science is still working to answer, but it wasn't a lonely old man thing that looked like us (humanoid) that went abra ca dabra let there be..........

    The easy answer is found in the buy bull, god magic, the that concept is to absurd to be considered by anyone that can actually think for themselves.

    The question is not why 85% of members of the national academy of science are atheists, but why in hell are there 15% that still cling to the ignorance of ancient folklore in spite of the science.
    XD40scinNC: I found this little article, which in a very short space, refutes your thesis that science is the ultimate answer to all questions necessary to refute religion. I am not trying to be argumentative in this response, only showing there are two sides to every story. You seem to prefer the scientific theory but you should also look into religion.


    Compatibility of Science and Religion

    Science is not the only way of knowing and understanding. But science is a way of knowing that differs from other ways in its dependence on empirical evidence and testable explanations. Because biological evolution accounts for events that are also central concerns of religion — including the origins of biological diversity and especially the origins of humans — evolution has been a contentious idea within society since it was first articulated by Charles Darwin and Alfred Russel Wallace in 1858.

    Acceptance of the evidence for evolution can be compatible with religious faith. Today, many religious denominations accept that biological evolution has produced the diversity of living things over billions of years of Earth’s history. Many have issued statements observing that evolution and the tenets of their faiths are compatible. Scientists and theologians have written eloquently about their awe and wonder at the history of the universe and of life on this planet, explaining that they see no conflict between their faith in God and the evidence for evolution. Religious denominations that do not accept the occurrence of evolution tend to be those that believe in strictly literal interpretations of religious texts.

    Science and religion are based on different aspects of human experience. In science, explanations must be based on evidence drawn from examining the natural world. Scientifically based observations or experiments that conflict with an explanation eventually must lead to modification or even abandonment of that explanation. Religious faith, in contrast, does not depend only on empirical evidence, is not necessarily modified in the face of conflicting evidence, and typically involves supernatural forces or entities. Because they are not a part of nature, supernatural entities cannot be investigated by science. In this sense, science and religion are separate and address aspects of human understanding in different ways. Attempts to pit science and religion against each other create controversy where none needs to exist.

    From Science, Evolution, and Creationism, National Academy of Sciences and Institute of Medicine. © 2008 National Academy of Sciences

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    Quote Originally Posted by XD40scinNC View Post
    So what is this 'sinful nature' you keep going on about?
    Wait a minute! You are making me nervous....you are either baiting me or going to go yard on me!

    sinful nature is always hostile to God....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldgrunt View Post
    XD40scinNC: I found this little article, which in a very short space, refutes your thesis that science is the ultimate answer to all questions necessary to refute religion. I am not trying to be argumentative in this response, only showing there are two sides to every story. You seem to prefer the scientific theory but you should also look into religion also.


    Compatibility of Science and Religion

    Science is not the only way of knowing and understanding. But science is a way of knowing that differs from other ways in its dependence on empirical evidence and testable explanations. Because biological evolution accounts for events that are also central concerns of religion — including the origins of biological diversity and especially the origins of humans — evolution has been a contentious idea within society since it was first articulated by Charles Darwin and Alfred Russel Wallace in 1858.

    Acceptance of the evidence for evolution can be compatible with religious faith. Today, many religious denominations accept that biological evolution has produced the diversity of living things over billions of years of Earth’s history. Many have issued statements observing that evolution and the tenets of their faiths are compatible. Scientists and theologians have written eloquently about their awe and wonder at the history of the universe and of life on this planet, explaining that they see no conflict between their faith in God and the evidence for evolution. Religious denominations that do not accept the occurrence of evolution tend to be those that believe in strictly literal interpretations of religious texts.

    Science and religion are based on different aspects of human experience. In science, explanations must be based on evidence drawn from examining the natural world. Scientifically based observations or experiments that conflict with an explanation eventually must lead to modification or even abandonment of that explanation. Religious faith, in contrast, does not depend only on empirical evidence, is not necessarily modified in the face of conflicting evidence, and typically involves supernatural forces or entities. Because they are not a part of nature, supernatural entities cannot be investigated by science. In this sense, science and religion are separate and address aspects of human understanding in different ways. Attempts to pit science and religion against each other create controversy where none needs to exist.

    From Science, Evolution, and Creationism, National Academy of Sciences and Institute of Medicine. © 2008 National Academy of Sciences
    And to expand on this, the "big bang THEORY" is just that, a theory for which there is no empirical evidence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whodat2710 View Post
    And to expand on this, the "big bang THEORY" is just that, a theory for which there is no empirical evidence.
    I absolutely believe in the Big bang Theory.

    God spoke and bang!
    it happened
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  6. And to expand on this, the "big bang THEORY" is just that, a theory for which there is no empirical evidence.
    Wow-another completely unsurprising mischaracterization of "theory" as used in science.

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    If there was a Big Bang (and I'm not prepared to catagorically say there wasn't) I want to know what caused it
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    Quote Originally Posted by whodat2710 View Post
    You keep using the word "intolerance", but I don't think you know what it really means. We as Christians are very tolerant of atheists. atheists as a whole are the ones intolerant of Christianity. How many lawsuits have you heard of where the "tolerant" atheists say that a cross or a nativity scene, or anything else to do with Christianity offends them? How many cases have you seen brought against athiests?
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    Atheists being "offended" by Christianity (though they never have a problem with muslims) is as annoying as gays being "offended" by anything heterosexual.
    You conveniently fail to notice that I say "religion" (all inclusive) is the greatest danger to civilization.

    Those that say they are tolerant christians, are the ones that are imposing intolerant laws upon society in this country, thus the focus of statements. Christians are the ones pushing in some states to have the nonsense of creation taught as science in our schools, thus the focus on christians.

    You can't fight a religious war with only one religion, but through the ignorance of two, ....... well turn on the news or read a newspaper.
    “Religion is an insult to human dignity. Without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things.
    But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.” ― Steven Weinberg

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    Quote Originally Posted by XD40scinNC View Post
    Those that say they are tolerant christians, are the ones that are imposing intolerant laws upon society in this country, thus the focus of statements.
    Name an intolerant law.

    Quote Originally Posted by XD40scinNC View Post
    Christians are the ones pushing in some states to have the nonsense of creation taught as science in our schools, thus the focus on christians.
    Wrong again, they are arguing that your big bang theory NOT be taught as the be all end all scientific fact that some proponents of it claim it to be. It is time for schools to stop teaching children WHAT to think, and go back to teaching them HOW to think. Present both arguments and let them decide based on their own principals. This is not just regarding Creation/evolution. Kids are being indoctrinated to become non-thinking sheeple ready to do the tyrants bidding without question, and giving them only one opinion and telling them it is fact just propagates that agenda.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whodat2710 View Post
    Name an intolerant law.
    NC amendment one ballot initiative in 2013, changed the state constitution to descriminate against approximately 10% of the states residents, with a big push from all the christian preachers and their TV spots.
    Quote Originally Posted by whodat2710 View Post
    Wrong again, they are arguing that your big bang theory NOT be taught as the be all end all scientific fact that some proponents of it claim it to be. It is time for schools to stop teaching children WHAT to think, and go back to teaching them HOW to think. Present both arguments and let them decide based on their own principals. This is not just regarding Creation/evolution. Kids are being indoctrinated to become non-thinking sheeple ready to do the tyrants bidding without question, and giving them only one opinion and telling them it is fact just propagates that agenda.
    Texas: The state’s largest charter program, Responsive Ed, receives $82 million in taxpayer money each year, but that hasn’t stopped its schools from adopting a creationist curriculum that seriously misrepresents the science of evolution. These materials wrongly portray the fossil record and the age of Earth as scientifically controversial, assert that there is a lack of “transitional fossils,” and claim evolution is untestable.
    “Religion is an insult to human dignity. Without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things.
    But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.” ― Steven Weinberg

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    Quote Originally Posted by XD40scinNC View Post
    ....(or are you one of those YEC that believe man and dinosaurs walked together?)
    I have no idea what "YEC" means (and really don't care), but the anti-religion, atheistic left actually fired a California State University researcher recently for publishing his findings that support the notion that dinosaurs and man walked together. They (CSU) specifically stated that their reason for the firing was because the scientist's findings, "...would too closely mesh science with religion."

    The Pacific Justice Institute has entered the fray and claims Armitage was terminated on the basis of religion for sharing a controversial theory and providing evidence for such:

    “Terminating an employee because of their religious views is completely inappropriate and illegal,” commented Brad Dacus, President of PJI. “But doing so in an attempt to silence scientific speech at a public university is even more alarming. This should be a wakeup call and warning to the entire world of academia,” he continued.

    While at a dig at Hell Creek formation in Montana, the scientist, Mark Armitage, came upon the largest triceratops horn ever unearthed at the site. When examining the horn under a high-powered microscope back at CSUN, Armitage was fascinated to see the soft tissue. The discovery stunned members of the scientific community because it indicates that dinosaurs roamed the earth only thousands of years in the past rather than going extinct 60 million years ago.

    According to court documents, shortly after the original soft tissue discovery, a university official challenged the motives of Armitage, by shouting at him, “We are not going to tolerate your religion in this department!”

    Armitage, a published scientist of over 30 years, was subsequently let go after CSUN abruptly claimed his appointment at the university of 38 months had been temporary, and claimed a lack of funding for his position. This was news to him, and contradicted prior statements and documents from the university.

    Michael Peffer, staff attorney with PJI’s southern California office said, “It has become apparent that ‘diversity’ and ‘intellectual curiosity,’ so often touted as hallmarks of a university education, do not apply to those with a religious point of view. This suit was filed, in part, to vindicate those ideals.”

    PJI / Daily Paul via Steve Quayle
    Science is hardly infallible. Perhaps it is the atheists and anti-religion crowd who are the real "flat-earthers," ever consider that? Of course not, because to admit fallibility in science is to admit to the possibility that the Bible is, and always has been, accurate and right.

    Are you a believer in anthropogenic global warming (or "climate change" if you prefer) XD40scinNC?

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