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    Written by Raven Clabough
    Wednesday, 19 May 2010 10:25

    The original American Progressive movement spanned from approximately 1890 to 1920. It began as a movement to bring about social and political reform, and the alleged intentions of the Progressives were to combat corruption. Ironically, the same movement became corrupted by its motives to undermine American values and bring about “social justice,” a code term for Marxism.

    The movement ultimately failed because Americans at the time still rightfully clung to their Constitution, Founding Fathers, and above all, God. But the question is, did it really fail?

    You see, the Progressives did not go away. They simply morphed into the modern day Democratic Party. Of course, there are exceptions to this, and there are indisputably Progressives in the Republican Party as well, beginning, it seems, with Teddy Roosevelt, but overall, the Democratic Party has been overrun by the Progressive machine.

    I provided this brief lesson on American history for you, reader, to lay the foundations for what you are about to read. When the Progressives realized what it was that stood in their way of transforming America — God, Constitution, and the Founding Fathers — they reconsidered their agenda, and slowly but surely have dismantled these elements that were at the core of American values. The Founding Fathers have been portrayed as “rich white racists,” the Constitution has been distorted beyond recognition, and God has been removed from daily life.

    Unfortunately for the Progressives, God’s presence has perhaps provided the most difficult obstacle of all, which explains why the Left has tackled this element with the utmost vehemence. The Progressives latched on to the rallying cry “separation of church and state” and have used it to bulldoze over Christians in courts and, with the help of groups like the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) and the United Coalition of Reason, have been successful.

    Somewhere along the way, however, it occurred to the Progressives that these efforts may not be enough. Rather, it would be best to infiltrate the church and distort its teachings in order to gain a larger following. This is most exemplified through churches like Reverend Jeremiah Wright’s United Church of Christ, which preached anti-Semitism, that "white America" deserved 9/11, and that God has “damned America.”

    Now the Obama administration intends to place the final nail in American Christianity’s coffin through President Barack Obama’s Office of Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships, created in February 2009. In the announcement for the partnership, it states that the initiative will “be a resource for nonprofits and community organizations, both secular and faith based, looking for ways to make a bigger impact in their communities, learn their obligations under the law, cut through red tape, and make the most of what the federal government has to offer.”

    The phrase “obligations under the law” is perhaps the most irksome. What are the obligations? According to Nancy Pelosi, those obligations are to preach amnesty for illegal aliens from the pulpit. According to John Kerry, those obligations are to support the cap and trade bill, which alleges to save the environment when in reality, it simply makes people like Gore, Goldman Sachs, Obama, the Joyce Foundation, etc. richer. Most importantly, the obligation seems to be to preach from the pulpit that the Bible asks Americans to “redistribute their wealth” to others in need, both in and out of America.

    Among the priorities listed in the announcement, the two that are most disconcerting are:

    • “The Office’s top priority will be making community groups an integral part of our economic recovery and poverty a burden fewer have to bear when recovery is complete.”
    • “Finally, beyond American shores this Office will work with the National Security Council to foster interfaith dialogue with leaders and scholars around the world.”

    From those bullets, we can decipher the group’s objectives to include wealth redistribution and global government.

    One year later, the council made a variety of recommendations, including “bringing the power of 370,000 houses of worship across the country to the fight of climate change by greening buildings and promoting environmental stewardship in their congregations.” Alas, we come close to the truth.

    If you’re not convinced that the intentions of this initiative are less than noble, take a look at the members of the council and you will find Reverend Jim Wallis, president and executive director of Sojourners. Jim Wallis has publically admitted to being a Marxist when recounting a conversation he had with social activist Dorothy Day, another pronounced Marxist. When asked, Wallis also admitted to seeking the redistribution of wealth. Though a reverend, Jim Wallis shares similar qualities with Reverend Harry Ward, founder of the ACLU, who was a Methodist minister but admitted under oath to being a communist.

    It appears that some Progressives have discarded their former assertions of separation of church and state and elected to instead reconcile the two and make them one. The path through which this initiative takes us is similar to that of the Anglican Church of England, who exerted control over the colonists and the English, which our Founding Fathers steadfastly opposed. More frighteningly, it may not stop there. The eventual result of this could be that which has been seen in Hitler’s Germany, where the swastika was used in place of the cross, or Stalin’s Russia, which imposed atheism on the citizens in schools, through massive amounts of propaganda, discriminatory laws, and, finally, terror.

    The Progressives continue to teach collective charity and collective redemption, all which are diametrically opposed to the fundamental Biblical teachings. Founding Father Reverend George Whitfield made this clear when he indicated that everybody has a soul and with that soul must stand alone before God. The Progressives distort the Bible to indicate that Americans must redistribute their wealth, and that it is appropriate to begrudge one another for his/her successes, but the Parable of Talents (Matthew 25: 13-30) indicates the opposite. According to the Parable, a master assigns talents to his servants based on their abilities. Those who utilize the talents to gain a profit are rewarded, while the servant who allows the talent to go to waste is punished. It has been increasingly evident that the same politicians who use the Bible for their political agenda are those that have yet to read the Bible. (Much like those who oppose the Arizona immigration bill and have yet to read it).

    Religion, alongside Americans’ other fundamental liberties, is at risk. Americans should be aware of the movement to undermine their faiths and fight against the Progressive machine. You may begin by visiting The Manhattan Declaration - Life, Marriage & Religious Liberty to sign a declaration indicating your strict adherence to Christian teachings in your everyday life. It also insists that we hold our government accountable to the inalienable rights afforded to American citizens in the Constitution. Above all, make your voice heard in November.
    By faith Noah,being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear,prepared an ark to the saving of his house;by the which he condemned the world,and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith Heb.11:7

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    Does anyone know if the aclu has made a statement about this?

    They're usually the 1st to start complaining about this sort of thing.

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    The ACLU is anti religion and anti US Constitution. They only show up in force when they are in disagreement. Their non action says it all.
    "You can get a lot accomplished if you don't care who gets the credit" - Ronald Reagan

  5. The danger was started by Bush when he set up this entire faith based initiative. God doesn't need Sodom's money, neither did Abraham. All those that make a deal with the government for money will forfeit their independence.

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    "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross."
    --Unknown but not Huey Long or Sinclair Lewis (despite what you read on the internet)
    People don't like to be meddled with. We tell them what to do, what to think, don't run, don't walk. We're in their homes and in their heads and we haven't the right. We're meddlesome.--River Tam

  7. The Bible tells us many times over that it shall be as the days of Lot when he returns.

    Luke 17:28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;

    29But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed [them] all.

    30Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

    31In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.

    32Remember Lot's wife.

    33Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.


    I wondered about the reason why it doesn't say the days of Abraham because they both lived at the same time. So I compared Abraham and Lot and found three interesting characteristics that were different between them. First, Lot didn't separate himself from the abundance of Sodom, Abraham went into the desert. Second, Lot didn't separate himself from the wickedness of Sodom, Abraham chose to stay close to God. Lastly, and importantly for this discussion, Lot didn't separate himself from the earthly power of Sodom while Abraham preached the heavenly power of the gospel.

    We see Lot in Genesis sitting at the city gate judging the people inside. His mistake was trying to preach righteousness through the power of the political system. It didn't work for Lot, it won't work for America. The church has the duty to represent God's power through our weakness, not through the power of the government. This collusion between faith based groups and the government will come back and bite us just as it did to Lot. There is a lesson in the story of Lot we need to pay attention to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HK4U View Post
    The original American Progressive movement spanned from approximately 1890 to 1920.
    It was more like 1870 to 1940.

    It began as a movement to bring about social and political reform, and the alleged intentions of the Progressives were to combat corruption. Ironically, the same movement became corrupted by its motives to undermine American values and bring about “social justice,” a code term for Marxism.
    Since when is corruption and undue influence of government an American value. Since when is excluding more people from the political process an American value?

    The movement ultimately failed
    The American Progress Movement was a great success. It's specific goals included:

    The desire to remove corruption and undue influence from government through the taming of bosses and political machines;

    The effort to include more people more directly in the political process;

    The conviction that government must play a role to solve social problems and establish fairness in economic matters.

    All of those goals were achieved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HK4U View Post
    the Progressives realized what it was that stood in their way of transforming America — God, Constitution, and the Founding Fathers — they reconsidered their agenda, and slowly but surely have dismantled these elements that were at the core of American values.
    God, the Constitution and the founders all aided the Progressive Movement. That's why it was such a great success.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charles cooper View Post
    god, the constitution and the founders all aided the progressive movement. That's why it was such a great success.
    troll alert

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    Quote Originally Posted by HK4U View Post
    “social justice,” a code term for Marxism.
    If that's true, then one of our founding fathers was a Marxist before Karl Marx was a Marxist.

    Laws in violation of private contracts, as they amount to aggressions on the rights of those States whose citizens are injured by them, may be considered as another probable source of hostility. We are not authorized to expect that a more liberal or more equitable spirit would preside over the legislations of the individual States hereafter, if unrestrained by any additional checks, than we have heretofore seen in too many instances disgracing their several codes. We have observed the disposition to retaliation excited in Connecticut in consequence of the enormities perpetrated by the Legislature of Rhode Island; and we reasonably infer that, in similar cases, under other circumstances, a war, not of parchment, but of the sword, would chastise such atrocious breaches of moral obligation and social justice.


    --The Federalist No. 7; Concerning Dangers from Dissensions Between the States (continued); Independent Journal; Thursday, November 15, 1787; [Alexander Hamilton]

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