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    Mexican President Calderon Presses For Gun Control

    Here's something to watch out for. During his recent visit, Mexican President Calderon pressed Obama for gun control in the U.S. This has some reps hoping for a "compromise" on gun control.

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    Gee he has done so well with his country he feels compelled to tell us how to run ours.
    By faith Noah,being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear,prepared an ark to the saving of his house;by the which he condemned the world,and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith Heb.11:7

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    I am so sick of this Mexican crap! Even Bush was screwing around with his Latin American agenda. What have any of those Hispanic countries done for us? I have nothing for or against Hispanics personally, but I think that most Latin American countries are just trying to hitch a friggin' ride on the gravy train. Just because my ethnic background is German, it does not mean that I think Germany is so damn great. So why do these hispanics come up here and try to tell us all about it? I believe the Mexican President ought to keep his nose under his own tent flap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by handgonnetoter View Post
    i am so sick of this mexican crap! Even bush was screwing around with his latin american agenda. What have any of those hispanic countries done for us? I have nothing for or against hispanics personally, but i think that most latin american countries are just trying to hitch a friggin' ride on the gravy train. Just because my ethnic background is german, it does not mean that i think germany is so damn great. So why do these hispanics come up here and try to tell us all about it? I believe the mexican president ought to keep his nose under his own tent flap.
    +1. Amen!!

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    Mexico has done so well with gun control over the years that now that their citizens actually need them to defend themselves and their families, they don't have them and can't get them, legally. The American media has done a masterful job of keeping the issues of violence and wholesale slaughter in many cities in Mexico quiet. Sure, we get a dribble of news now and then about Juarez and maybe Monterrey, but if you go to Youtube and in the search box put in the word balacera and it will bring up shootouts and assaults all over Mexico. The young girl that videoed the first assaults in Camargo and posted it on the internet was hunted down and killed by the cartel for doing it.
    How long do you think it will be before this crap spills over into our country? Well, it already has in numerous border towns
    all along the border with Mexico, and it's not just in Arizona. Personally, I believe that ALL border states should pass the same law that Arizona passed.
    If anyone will take the time (Eric Holder, Janet Napolitano included) to actually read the bill:
    they will find that the Arizona legislature has gone out of it's way to make sure that NO ONE is pulled over and questioned
    just because they look Hispanic or any other race other than White. Since when is it wrong (other than in DC, Chicago or
    New York) for people to protect themselves rather than wait for an unresponsive Federal government to actually do something to relieve the problems with immigration, illegal or otherwise?
    I hope that Arizona's stance inspires other states and individuals to wake up and take control of their own destiny because
    you sure as hell can't count on our Federal government to do so!
    Kill them all and let God sort them out!

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    Mexican President calls for curb of Second Amendment rights
    In an interview with the Wall Street Journal, Mexican President Felipe Calderon feigns support for the Second Amendment then proceeds to call for banning popular semi-autos.

    Mexico's president, Felipe Calderón Hinojosa, talked with Wall Street Journal correspondents David Luhnow and Nicholas Casey. Read an edited transcript of their conversation.
    The Wall Street Journal: Mr. President, there are now 23,000 dead. Drug gangs storm the Holiday Inn in Monterrey and kidnap guests from their rooms. Your party and the PRD can't put some candidates in place for local elections because of threats from drug lords. Cuernavaca, a tourist destination for Americans, was shut down for a weekend after threatening e-mails from a drug gang. Are you surprised it got this bad?
    Felipe Calderón: Of course, we are worried about the number of dead, but it shouldn't surprise us when we look at countries like Colombia that waited until they had no choice but to act, where criminals were murdering presidential candidates, judges, assaulting the Supreme Court, Congress, etc. We are acting much earlier than Colombia did and are still able to prevent those kinds of things.
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    Alvaro Barrientos/Associated Press Mexico President Felipe Calderón, front, arrived at an EU-Mexico summit in Comillas, Spain, Sunday.

    I'd like to point out that this isn't a "war on drugs" in the Nixon sense, but this is against criminal organizations that seek -- through violence and threats -- to collect rents on legal and illicit businesses in a community. Drug trafficking is a part of that. But this battle goes beyond it. To return authority to government and the citizens that elected it in each community in Mexico and take it away from the criminals.
    The toll worries us and hurts us. Generally, in about 73% of the deaths we can get some evidence of why the crime was committed.
    And in 90% of those cases -- at least well above 80% -- they are people who are linked to organized crime; they are distributors, lookouts, etc. About 5% of the victims are security agents like local police. And what most hurts, what most makes us angry, are the remaining victims, the innocent civilians.
    WSJ: At what point did you become aware of the threat posed by organized criminal groups in Mexico? Was it a gradual process or was it more a specific event that changed your outlook on this matter?
    Mr. Calderón: I think that every day there is new information that allows us to have a more complete analysis. But the fact, the phenomenon or the first action taken by the government came from long conversations with Michoacán Governor Lázaro Cardenas, who more or less spent a year asking for assistance from the federal government, the government of Vicente Fox, because in Michoacán there was precisely an increasing presence of organized crime, criminal groups, the Family [drug cartel] ....
    WSJ: The severed heads on the dance floor
    Mr. Calderón: Exactly. The heads on the Uruapán disco that appeared, if I remember correctly, in 2005, are probably a significant fact that reveals the ferocity of these groups. It was not only on the issue of the drugs, but also extorting avocado growers, farmers, merchants.
    Lázaro Cárdenas asked for the federal government assistance that, for various reasons, was not provided. During the transition I made a commitment with him, certainly to help him, and the joint operation in Michoacán was the first operation launched precisely to bring the authority back to the state and its ability to cope with crime. If there was any event or trigger, that was it.
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    WSJ: In all cases where you sent the army was there an specific request by the state authorities?
    Mr. Calderón: In Chihuahua, even the governor and the three branches of government have requested it in writing. Of course, there are people within the Chihuahua government itself that, instead of recognizing that the federal government is there because there is violence, politically they say that there is violence because the federal government is there, which is entirely deceitful and does not help, but there it is.
    WSJ: There is an old saying that no battle plan survives first contact with the enemy. Can you tell us how your thinking and your strategy have evolved since you decided to send the army to Michoacán?
    Mr. Calderón: Let me tell you a metaphor that I use to try to explain to people in a simple way: Obviously it occurred to me that upon taking possession or becoming president if I were a doctor and a patient came complaining of stomach pain, abdominal pain. I'd think that it was appendicitis because an uncle of his had it once. But upon checking and opening up to operate, I realized that he has a large cancerous tumor. So the treatment has to be to cut the tumor and be aggressive, the only way to help the patient survive.
    Of course, there is always a patient that says: "Listen, that doctor is terrible. Before I went to see him I was feeling really well, I only had a stomach pain, I had just appendicitis, and now I am bald due to the radiations, the therapies, the chemotherapies." The problem is not the doctor, the problem is the patient, and besides, it took a long time for the patient to see the doctor.
    WSJ: Some analysts compare the war against organized crime with the war against terrorism. In both cases the army was used, mostly at the beginning, as the main tool, but later on some people thought that this was more a police matter. Could you tell us about your thinking in terms of the army versus the police?
    Mr. Calderón: There is a combination of both… In any community, the law of the Mexican state must be the only power -- not of the criminals, not of the [drug trafficking organization known as the] Zetas, not of the Gulf [cartel]. It is the law of the Mexican state.
    In any community, the authority should be able to do everything, from directing traffic to investigate burglaries in private homes. But the moment this authority disappears, or it is undermined, erased by criminals, then you have to restore power and gradually reconstruct the authority with all its functions, including the police functions.
    In other words: I don't think, nor do I want, that the federal police or the army should be doing the police work in the communities, but if they are doing so it's because there is not even a functioning local police force. Our presence is temporary, aimed at creating some breathing space for local authorities to build their own authority and its own police force.
    WSJ: How are you doing in that respect?
    Mr. Calderón: I think this is the weakest part, say, the weakest link.
    WSJ: Do the local authorities cooperate?
    Mr. Calderón: It is a decades-long problem, I mean, it is a fabric that needs to be restored and it will take a long time, also because there is not the same cooperation from all the governors and all the mayors.
    In some cases there is good collaboration, and we are having remarkable successes. I can cite you the case of Tijuana, for example. In Tijuana, we have reduced not only the violence and crime, but we have also arrested the main major criminals there.
    There are other cases in which fear prevents collaboration; there are others where there is no collaboration. There are other cases in which … they say that, because it is the president's matter, then it is better for the army to stay permanently, and that allows us local officials to not spend the money we should on improving the local police but spend it on political campaigns.
    WSJ: And then they blame the president for what goes wrong.
    Mr. Calderón: And then they blame the president, he is at fault. It is a very comfortable situation for them. And others that are fully collated with criminals and that think that the least the local police tissue is restored, the better for them.
    WSJ: Can you give examples of where this happens?
    Mr. Calderón: I'd rather talk about successes than failures.
    WSJ: I brought a study estimating that 98% of those arrested for organized crime in Mexico end up free. I don't know if this figure is correct, but even if it were 20 or 30%, that's too much. We saw this in the case of last year's arrests of the mayors in Michoacán. They are all free now.
    Mr. Calderón: Yes, it is a law enforcement problem; the law enforcement institutions in Mexico are seriously deteriorated, all over the country and at all levels, and therefore a key element is to restore, I insist, this institutional fabric that includes not only the police institutions but those of law enforcement and administration of justice.
    That's why I proposed -- and Congress approved -- a judicial reform that through the adversarial system will allow to keep building much more effective law enforcement instruments.
    I also believe that there is a problem of, let me say, of inefficiency in the judicial system. Unfortunately that is outside my field. I know that I need to improve the federal law enforcement mechanisms, and indeed that's what I am doing. By the way, the person in charge of fighting organized crime is in jail, as well as the director of the Federal Police.
    I am renewing these institutions, I am giving them greater capabilities, and obviously we are promoting the implementation of the judicial reform in order to be able not only to prosecute but to succeed in all cases.
    WSJ: Another area where academics say Mexico isn't doing well enough is hurting the financial capacity of drug gangs, not only in terms of money laundering, but in asset forfeiture. What are you achieving on this?
    Mr. Calderón: I also proposed, and Congress approved a reform that establishes in Mexico the confiscation of property, which allows the State to confiscate the good used by criminals. The Congress, particularly the PRI and the PRD, but especially the PRI, clarified a lot the process and made it much more complete. But, apart from that, we are doing everything possible to capture and remove their assets from the hands of criminals. For example, we've registered the largest forfeiture of cash in one single place, US$207 million. With the legal mechanism that we had, we handed the property to the State, and with that money we are also funding prevention centers and addiction treatment throughout the country. To give you an idea, in my administration we have also confiscated about 600 planes, tens of thousands of vehicles.
    WSJ: Many people in the United States say they are ready to give more support to Mexico beyond the Mérida Plan, including things like more training for the Federal Police or the army, but that politically it is difficult for Mexico to accept this. Can you talk about this?
    Mr. Calderón: I have faced the political costs and I have openly sought a more open alliance and cooperation with the United States, and it is working. We had never had such cooperation on intelligence sharing as now, the Mérida initiative itself, well, we have received about US$400 million. But it's important to point out that Mexico's own budget for security at the federal level must be about US$10 billion, so the hard work is our own, too.
    I think the announcement by the Obama administration to focus more on the prevention and treatment of addictions is in the right direction because that is ultimately the cause of the problem. The main cause of this problem or the source of this problem is drug use in the United States. For me, it is like living in a building, right next to the largest consumer of drugs in the world; the problem is that everybody wants to sell drugs through my door or through my window. So, it is good that the Obama administration is putting this emphasis on prevention.
    But there are other elements that can help us more, like weapons: in fact they are helping us more because the authorities are acting in all institutions, and enforcing the law; for example, the ban to export lethal weapons to countries where it is prohibited. But the fact is that the flow of weapons to cartels is another of the major causes of increased violence in Mexico.
    In fact, I would suggest ... the relationship between the increase in violence in Mexico and the repeal or non-ratification of the assault weapons ban. Ultimately violence, or the growth and the presence of cartels, their dominance in certain communities … begins about one or two years before I enter the administration, and the year the ban was cancelled was in 2004.
    Since I became president we have seized more than 75,000 weapons, of which approximately 45,000 are assault weapons; almost 6,000 grenades and more than 8 million cartridges. We also know that there are seven thousand stores that sell weapons just along the Mexican border with the United States and more than ... must be other 4,000 or 5,000 gun shows, also in that area, where you can sell this type of weapons virtually to anybody. So, as long as not only the flow but also the free availability of weapons doesn't cease, it will not be easy to see that this violence stops.
    WSJ: Are you going to take this message to the Congress?
    Mr. Calderón: Probably. But the point is more serious. I respect the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution. I admire also the history and the U.S. Constitution and the reason for the Second Amendment was that good American citizens can defend themselves and defend their nation. But the truth is that these weapons are not going into the hands of good Americans, are going directly into the hands of criminals; those weapons are now aimed at Mexicans, both civilians and authorities, and I see no reason why we can assume that one day these weapons will not be aimed at U.S. citizens or authorities.
    WSJ: There are many countries that have successfully met the challenge of confronting organized crime, the U.S., Italy, Colombia. Could you tell us if there are experts outside Mexico with whom you have met? Are there people you can rely on for help?
    Mr. Calderón: There is constant research being carried out, particularly by Public Safety and the Attorney General's Office about organized crime; and I myself try to do some readings, an analysis of this issue. I can not be specific about authors, but, for example, this definition of organized crime as "the criminal organization that through threats, violence, tries to capture the income of a community, legal or illegal," is a definition that comes precisely from the literature on organized crime, which leads me, again, to the point, my issue is not only drug trafficking.
    WSJ: Are you worried about your successor not carrying on the fight?
    Mr. Calderón: Well, obviously it is a great risk to Mexico because I can guarantee until the last day of my term that we will be fighting the criminals and advancing on them, mostly containing the shock wave that had been growing exponentially before I became president.
    If the problem had been attacked before, we would have already solved it, I'm sure. Not in the sense of making the drugs disappear, because that is not my goal, that is absurd, but to regain full control of any area of the country, for the state and not for the criminals.
    Yes, I am concerned that this effort will fail, that is a risk that will remain. I hope that whichever party wins in 2012 there will be the same or greater degree of commitment to fight crime and put the safety of citizens above any other interest.
    WSJ: How do you define victory in this battle?
    Mr. Calderón: To complete the strategy involves several things: First, the purge and strengthening of the police forces, starting from a Federal Police that is solid, strong, well prepared, well trained, well-paid. When I arrived there were some 6,000 federal police, including the patrol police; right now we are approaching 33,000, 34,000 more or less -- most of them young, many of them college students, with much better values, who carry in them the idea that this is about serving the country. We're training them, we are going to improve the technological capabilities of the Federal Police to levels, truly, never seen before.

    Felipe Calderón -- Interview Transcript -

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    There is no compromise on the 2nd ammendment and out rights to have guns without Gov. controls

  9. Thanks for the fricking 10-foot-long post. Most of us here have the mental ability to click a link.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony_I_Am View Post
    Thanks for the fricking 10-foot-long post. Most of us here have the mental ability to click a link.
    Most of us yes have the ability to click a link yes...will we?
    I applaud Bohemian's research. He is extremely thorough. He presents more than just a news story he pieces the puzzle together for those of us that don't have that kind of time.


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    Quote Originally Posted by festus View Post
    Most of us yes have the ability to click a link yes...will we?
    I applaud Bohemian's research. He is extremely thorough. He presents more than just a news story he pieces the puzzle together for those of us that don't have that kind of time.

    +1..Keep up the GOOD WORK!

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