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    Woman shot, killed in Yuba City home | family, city, wo - Breaking News - Appeal-Democrat

    Woman shot, killed by Yuba City police
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    May 21, 2010 11:18:00 AM
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    A 67-year-old Yuba City woman was shot and killed by officers when she pointed a shotgun at them and refused to put it down, according to Yuba City police.

    Victoria Helen Roger-Vasselin was pronounced dead late Thursday at her home at 764 Mariner Loop in an affluent neighborhood on the city’s far south side.
    Roger-Vasselin was the sister of the late Thomas E. Mathews, a Yuba County judge and district attorney.

    “They shot her dead,” Roger-Vasselin’s distraught son said outside the house Friday morning.

    “I think she was just startled” by late visits to her home, he said.

    Before he could give his full name, a relative or family friend took him by the arm and led him inside, shutting the door.


    Officers went to the Mariner Loop home after receiving a call at 9:04 p.m. about weapons being brandished.

    A U.S. Census worker “had been confronted by residents who pointed a firearm at the worker and said they would not answer any questions and closed the door,” said police spokeswoman Shawna Pavey.

    When two male officers arrived, 51-year-old Lionel Patterson answered the door, armed with a handgun, police said.

    “As officers were dealing with the male, a female approached the door with a shotgun and ignored officers’ orders to release the weapon. As the female advanced on officers, she continued to point the shotgun at officers in a threatening manner and the two officers fired their service weapons, hitting the female,” police said.

    Both officers fired their guns, said Pavey, adding she didn’t believe Roger-Vasselin or Patterson fired.

    Both officers were uniformed and clearly identifiable as police, Pavey said.

    Pavey said toxicology testing after an autopsy Friday morning will determine if alcohol or drugs were factors in the incident.

    The officers have been placed on routine administrative leave while the Sutter County District Attorney’s Office investigates the incident.

    A neighbor, Bob Dhaliwal, said he was in bed when heard people, including one woman, shouting and yelling, followed by five or six shots. When he came outside, officers with guns drawn had the male suspect on the ground, then took him away in a patrol car, he said.

    “All I saw was him being arrested. I assumed he shot somebody,” Dhaliwal said.

    Patterson lives at the same address. Pavey and neighbors said it wasn’t clear what the relationship was between him and Roger-Vasselin.

    Dhaliwal and other neighbors said they didn’t know Roger-Vasselin well.

    “She kept to herself,” Dhaliwal said.

    One neighbor, who declined to give her name, described Roger-Vasselin “pleasant but reserved,” almost reclusive.

    “She was much more social when she moved first moved in. The economy was better then,” the neighbor said.

    Neighbors said they had also received nighttime visits from a female census worker.

    Roger-Vasselin owned the house for about three years but rented it for about six months while she worked in Hawaii, returning to Yuba City six to nine months ago, the neighbor said.

    When her mother, Lillian Mathews-Crumrine, died in 1998, Roger-Vasselin lived in Kauai, Hawaii.

    When the former judge, Thomas E. Mathews, died In 2005, Roger-Vasselin was living in San Francisco. Then 63 and a regional membership executive at the Ritz-Carlton Hotel, she was one four employees involved in an age- discrimination lawsuit against the Marriott Corporation.


    Contact Rob Young at 749-4710 or at [email protected].
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    Sounds like the census worker and 2 cops were trespassing and failed to depart when instructed to do so. Nice of the cops to kill a woman for defending her property.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by wolfhunter View Post
    Sounds like the census worker and 2 cops were trespassing and failed to depart when instructed to do so. Nice of the cops to kill a woman for defending her property.
    I am not a lawyer, but it appears that the home owners violated basic rules of using a fire arm in a self defense case, since they were not in jeopardy of immediate bodily harm or death. Pointing a gun at an unarmed person who is NOT threatening you is a crime. Really quite stupid and then to die for a crime that you committed out of stupidity is even more stupid especially when pointing a loaded shotgun at uniformed police officers. Sounds to me that the police officers had no choice, she provoked the shooting, not the other way around. Sad case, but if you are going to own and use firearms for self defense, then you really need to use some common sense and KNOW the law. You can't just point a gun or even show it in a threatening manner without any threat against you.

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    See what happens when you fail to answer the census. They will come to your house and kill you!

    Good job! One less person to count in the census.
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    So sad. But she was clearly in the wrong. I mean, when a uniformed police officer tells you to put a firearm down- you need to put the firearm down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marissa View Post
    So sad. But she was clearly in the wrong. I mean, when a uniformed police officer tells you to put a firearm down- you need to put the firearm down.
    When the uniformed police officer tells you to vote a certain way or give your possessions away, are you going to comply? A trespasser is a trespasser, no matter what color his or her shirt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfhunter View Post
    A trespasser is a trespasser, no matter what color his or her shirt.
    I wouldn't consider officers investigating a crime trespassing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Booga View Post
    I wouldn't consider officers investigating a crime trespassing.
    Answering her door with a gun in her hand isn't a crime. So, there was no crime to investigate. Therefore the cops were uninvited guests which means they were trespassing.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by wolfhunter View Post
    Answering her door with a gun in her hand isn't a crime. So, there was no crime to investigate. Therefore the cops were uninvited guests which means they were trespassing.
    This is a CA city with Kalifornia laws one of which is brandishing.

    Brandishing a Firearm – Laws & Penalties
    If you draw or show a firearm, loaded or unloaded, in an angry or threatening manner or during a fight, you may be charged with this offense that is typically classified as a misdemeanor.

    If the offense took place on public property and the firearm is a pistol or some other firearm easily concealed, you will serve a minimum of 3 months in jail and up to one year. However, if not committed in a public place, you face 30 days to one year in jail.

    Ref: CA Brandishing a Firearm California Laws - Penal Code Section 417

    California Firearms / Weapons Laws | California Criminal Defense Lawyers - CA Defense Attorneys

    Was a crime committed with the census worker, not clear, but certainly he has the right and authority under the US constitution to do his job. Remember, it is the constitution that mandates the census. If he felt threatened by the weapon, then it is quite likely that they would have been found guilty of at least brandishing. The police had every right to enter their property to investigate. This isn't a police state over zealous action, simply upholding a constitutionally mandated census. The fault is clearly on the folks that didn't understand that under the constitution, counting all citizens is mandatory. The census worker has the right to safety to perform this constitutional mandate.

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    Menacing and/or brandishing is a crime in several states.

    Of course, answering a knock on your door with a handgun is not a crime but that is not what the story states happened to get the woman shot.

    The man answered the door with a handgun when police arrived and while talking with him, the woman approached with a shotgun pointed at them, then failed to respond to orders to drop her weapon. Assuming (always a potential mistake) the story as related is true, there is no trespass involved here so far.

    And yes, the census worker is a government employee, no different than a postal worker, meter reader, etc. going about their lawful business. Citizens are required to give the basic information regarding the number of people living at the address. All legal, no conspiracy. The police would have been called about the threat of a firearm, not the failure to answer Census questions.

    At worst, it is possible that the census worker over-reacted at the presence of the sidearm but the report legitimately brought out the police who were investigating.

    People do stuppid things and often have to pay a price.
    Reality, DEAL with IT!

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