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    Quote Originally Posted by JJFlash View Post
    There are no trends to be extrapolated, here, WH. The mean, median, and mode are termed "descriptive" statistics and are pretty elementary. They simply describe "what is". They are not used to indicate possible trends. Statisticians and others do not argue over these stats since there is nothing to argue about. They are easily calculated and so cannot be fudged if people use the same dataset.

    It is only in the more advanced analyses, say, multiple regression, that interpretation plays a much larger role in discerning the meaning of the model. Even here, there is rarely argument over the numbers themselves, only in what is being projected, that is, the accompanying explanation.

    If I say the average weight of all conservatives in this room is x, and the average weight of all socialists is y, assuming that the study participants identified their political persuasion, what is there to argue about? Same thing the OP presented, here.
    I agree that this is a pretty straight forward presentation of almost raw data, but who decided whether a third party candidate was "conservative", "liberal", or "neutral"? What was the rounding factor used? What did they do with precincts that contain both a portion of a city, and an unincorporated area? Unlike your weight example, there are variables that make this report statistics, not FACTS.

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    The "fact" is JJ's just got a hard on for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CathyInBlue View Post
    Everything I need to know about Conservatism and Liberalism in the aggregate, I learned from statistics.

    http://alt.coxnewsweb.com/statesman/...081205libs.pdf
    Cathy now thats a low bloiw. How DARE YOU USE FACTS.

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    Back at the beginning of the month when CiB posted that report, It looked pretty much black and white to me.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cocked _and_Locked View Post
    Statistics aren't facts, they're numbers.
    No hardon for you, C&L, as I'm not into little boys. You made the claim that "statistics aren't facts, they're numbers", which, basically, is non-sensical. There are plenty of numbers which are accepted facts: the speed of light, terminal velocity, to name a couple.

    What we can argue, here, and what has been argued by WolfHunter, is the composition of the dataset, or sample, from which the statistics are derived. But, I submit again, that once the sample is accepted, an elementary statistic, such as the mean, is a fact. The mean is "x". Nothing to be refuted, here. The mean has been calculated, it's calculation is easily derived by others, and it says what it says. Note I'm not saying how meaningful that stat may be, that's another argument.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JJFlash View Post
    The mean has been calculated, it's calculation is easily derived by others, and it says what it says.
    Your comprehensive understanding of facts and numbers is impressive.

    It certainly does take a certain amount of mental bandwidth to understand complex relationships between facts and numbers. No doubt about it.

    Reminds me of an old saying. "Some would use statistics as a drunk uses a lampost: more for support, rather than illumination."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cocked _and_Locked View Post
    Your comprehensive understanding of facts and numbers is impressive.

    It certainly does take a certain amount of mental bandwidth to understand complex relationships between facts and numbers. No doubt about it.

    Reminds me of an old saying. "Some would use statistics as a drunk uses a lampost: more for support, rather than illumination."
    Nothing useful to contribute. Typical.
    Prov. 27:3 - "Stone is heavy and sand a burden, but provocation by a fool is heavier than both"

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJFlash View Post
    Nothing useful to contribute. Typical.
    JJ, Wooddoctor asked me on another thread what I felt constituted a troll. I guess we could use our friend here for a real good illustration.
    By faith Noah,being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear,prepared an ark to the saving of his house;by the which he condemned the world,and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith Heb.11:7

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    Quote Originally Posted by HK4U View Post
    JJ, Wooddoctor asked me on another thread what I felt constituted a troll. I guess we could use our friend here for a real good illustration.
    That's why I have C&L on "ignore". I'm here for meaningful dialogue...not drivel!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative Wife & Mom View Post
    That's why I have C&L on "ignore". I'm here for meaningful dialogue...not drivel!
    Ditto.
    By faith Noah,being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear,prepared an ark to the saving of his house;by the which he condemned the world,and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith Heb.11:7

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