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    One of the most interesting things I have found so far in the SCOTUS opinion (be advised its ambiguous and has circular references and is contradictory to say the least) is that they received a supporting Amicus brief signed by 58 U.S. Senators & 251 members of the U.S. House ...
    http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/09pdf/08-1521.pdf

    That is a Congressional Majority in both houses... (2 short of veto-proof super-majority in Senate if it was a piece of legislation)

    And the Justices called it out in their opinion, loud and clear...

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    Opinion of the Court ... Alito. J ...
    First, we have never held that a provision of the Bill of Rights applies to the States only if there is a “popular consensus” that the right is fundamental, and we see no basis for such a rule. But in this case, as it turns out, there is evidence of such a consensus. An amicus brief submitted by 58 Members of the Senate and 251 Members of the House of Representatives urges us to hold that the right to keep and bear arms is fundamental...

    E.G.: (See Brief for Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison et al. as Amici Curiae 4.)
    http://www.nraila.org/media/PDFs/lit..._congress..pdf

    ... Another brief submitted by 38 States takes the same position. Brief for State of Texas et al. as Amici Curiae 6. ...

    "The people never give up their liberties, but under some delusion." - Edmund Burke

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bohemian View Post
    One of the most interesting things I have found so far in the SCOTUS opinion (be advised its ambiguous and has circular references and is contradictory to say the least) is that they received a supporting Amicus brief signed by 58 U.S. Senators & 251 members of the U.S. House ...
    http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/09pdf/08-1521.pdf

    That is a Congressional Majority in both houses... (2 short of veto-proof super-majority in Senate if it was a piece of legislation)

    And the Justices called it out in their opinion, loud and clear...

    ...
    Opinion of the Court ... Alito. J ...
    First, we have never held that a provision of the Bill of Rights applies to the States only if there is a “popular consensus” that the right is fundamental, and we see no basis for such a rule. But in this case, as it turns out, there is evidence of such a consensus. An amicus brief submitted by 58 Members of the Senate and 251 Members of the House of Representatives urges us to hold that the right to keep and bear arms is fundamental...

    E.G.: (See Brief for Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison et al. as Amici Curiae 4.)
    http://www.nraila.org/media/PDFs/lit..._congress..pdf

    ... Another brief submitted by 38 States takes the same position. Brief for State of Texas et al. as Amici Curiae 6. ...
    Thanks Bohemian! I was unaware of this! Gotta do some more reading tonight

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    Quote Originally Posted by THE DUKE OF ESSEX View Post
    CathyInBlue, didn't you say you were getting a teaching degree, or were a teacher already. Maybe you could shed some light on the School teachers take on gun control. I notice you are a BIG 2A supporter and would be great to hear your perspective.
    I'm, as yet, an education student. (I have another year.)

    Even so, I cannot say that I have a school teacher's take on gun control. I have a Libertarian take on gun control and happen to be a teacher/educator/pedagoger/illuminator/classroom leader or whatever else may be fashionable to call a person in my profession these days, usually driven by some of the same vapid unionists and union leaders that delight in rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic, calling a thing by a different name after they have done all they can to sully and besmirch the previous name.

    As such, I'm sure, just as I am sure that if you want to get an anti-2nd Amendment statement from cops, you can go straight to the police unions, that if you went to the teacher's union, you would get one of the most radicly and ridiculously anti-gun screeds as you would get anywhere. The stand of the union leaders is not the sense of the rank and file teacher, any more that it is the sense of the rank and file cop.

    For myself, I will be rabble rousing and agitating for guns in the classrooms. If the state trusts us with 1-2 ton bullets flying down city streets to commute to school, and if the state trusts us with classrooms full of many people's children, then I fail to see the distinction that would claim a classroom teacher, who is otherwise licensed to do so, is unqualified to responsibly CCW in the classroom, that atrocities like Columbine and Virginia Tech not be duplicated. I saw a teacher's union leader in Texas, in the run-up to a national debate about just this sort of thing, opining that no teacher would be capable of levelling a firearm at a child gone wild with a gun and then be able to discharge that firearm at said child in order to end such a threat, and that if there was someone who could do that, she would not want that person working as a teacher. With all due respect, which is to say little to none, to the sensitive nerves of hoplophobes and other milquetoasts, I very much could end the life of a minor child if that was the only way to end the threat which that minor child posed to many, many other people, many of them minor children themselves. If this makes me cold, I humbly suggest you find a thermometer to which I could offer the underside of my tongue.

    I would gladly seek the training needed to become the boys and girls riflery coach for intramural marksmanship competition, sanctioned by the IHSAA. If some of my other hobbies ultimately prove fruitful, I could even build the school's rifle range myself.

    If I were to discover that a student in my purview may be in violation of some idiotic zero-intelligence policy, commonly called a zero-tolerance policy, by having a toy gun, or a depiction of a firearm, I would seek to discuss it with them quietly, that I would be able to remove from their sphere that evidence of the trivial violation, that I could return it to them off school grounds and spare them the insanity and difficulty of dealing with such a disproportionate penalty for a non-violent infraction.

    That is my take on gun control as a teacher.

    List of school-related attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    I would not willingly choose to leave my personal protection sidearm locked in my car 1000 feet away from the school in order to comply with a similar zero-intelligence policy, which is what a victim disarmament zone is, like Principal Joel Myrick of Pearl High School in Pearl, MS. Pearl High School shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Indeed, it was reading the story of the E.O. Green School shooting that made me make the decision to become a teacher, to help insure that that kind of thing never happened again... at least within my purview.
    When they "Nudge. Shove. Shoot.",
    Don't retreat. Just reload.

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    Quote Originally Posted by surfcc View Post
    6shootercarry- I hear you on the high cap mags! God forbid those 3 extra bullets might hurt somebody! Our next mission should be elect a new AG who will scrap the "list" and allow all gun mfg's to sell their guns in MA.
    This state is so full of crap... I hate this state more and more each day... 10 rounds is just not enough to get all the left wing socialist losers.

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    You can give peace a chance alright..

    I'll seek cover in case it goes badly..

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    Quote Originally Posted by jibbster View Post
    I'm not so sure...got some of them way left that are related to me (please dont ban me now, )... I have had hour upon hour of conversations/heated discussions with them, and after close to 20 years, I don't think they are EVER going to get it
    A frigging coward will never understand. Yellow thru and thru, every last one of them.

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    Texas has always been pro 2nd Amendment

    Those of you disenchanted with your state's gun laws are always welcomed in Texas - where the ruling on the 2nd was already confirmed a few years ago. Be sure and bring your guns, too, we'll BBQ and shoot 'em at my range out back.

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