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    Has anyone ever used article 4 section 1 of the constitution to get another state to recognize other states carry permits?

    Article IV section 1 - Each State to Honor all others

    Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eldonvieira View Post
    Has anyone ever used article 4 section 1 of the constitution to get another state to recognize other states carry permits?

    Article IV section 1 - Each State to Honor all others

    Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof.
    There has been several attempts to get a national reciprocity bill passed and each has failed. The biggest problem to overcome is the vast differences in concealed carry laws and how permits are issued. Some states issue permits with no training requirement or back ground check requirement. Some issue with only a background check requirement. There are two states that don't allow concealed carry at all. You can go to Alaska, Vermont and now Arizona and not need a permit. There would have to be some form of uniformity (at least to the extent of drivers licenses) to get such a law working.

  4. The way I read that section there is no need for uniformity it says that each state must honor other states rulings and judgments

  5. I was wondering if anyone had challanged using those grounds

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    The thing about the "full faith and credit" clause is that it applies mainly to judicial proceedings and findings. It doesn't really apply to permits and licenses. This is why each state can regulate attorney's licenses, contractor's licenses, etc. The following may better explain the clause:

    Full Faith and Credit Clause legal definition of Full Faith and Credit Clause. Full Faith and Credit Clause synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eldonvieira View Post
    Has anyone ever used article 4 section 1 of the constitution to get another state to recognize other states carry permits?

    Article IV section 1 - Each State to Honor all others

    Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof.
    The sooner we educate our legislators on the following, the sooner we can stop muddying up the waters with superfluous & disparate CCW laws...

    "The Second Amendment IS my Concealed Carry Permit" - Ted Nugent

    The First Fundamental Principle of Constitutional Interpretation: Your Rights Don't Come From Government
    Oath Keepers: CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC 101: YOUR RIGHTS DON’T COME FROM GOVERNMENT

    Is Harry Reid pro-gun or anti-gun?
    You Decide



    "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." - Second Amendment

    Nowhere does it state SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED Except...
    IF your zip code is x, your standing at y or the type or class of weapon you desire to keep or bear is z...
    OR if said weapon is carried openly or concealed...


    "The people never give up their liberties, but under some delusion." - Edmund Burke

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    Actually, since permits are treated as privileges by all the issuing states, why not use Section 2, the privileges and immunities clause? Same problem with differing state laws.

    BUT--The biggest reason NOT to push universal reciprocity is that it would be a Federal law. Once the Feds get involved, they'll inevitably get involved in qualifications, terms and all other aspects of the carry laws. Keep the Feds out of my holster! Do you want a Pelosi or Schumer telling you what qualifying courses, what firearms qualify, what "cartridge-stamping" requirements your firearm must have, where to go to register {permanently** your firearm and whatever else they can come up with? NOT ME!
    ElZorro

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    Arizona's Constitutional Carry (open or concealed, no b.s. required) is a step in the right direction the rest of the states need to follow...

    "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." - Second Amendment

    Nowhere does it state SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED Except...
    IF your zip code is x, your standing at y or the type or class of weapon you desire to keep or bear is z...
    OR if said weapon is carried openly or concealed...
    OR if you are in compliance with whatever draconian regulation & licensing scheme is concocted to keep us from freely exercising our fundamental rights...

    "The Second Amendment IS my Concealed (and Open) Carry Permit" - Ted Nugent...

    In my view the only new Firearm/Weapon related law (or Supreme Court Opinion) we need; IS that the Second Amendment STANDS ON ITS OWN...

    IT means WTF is says, "Shall Not Be Infringed" ... Fricking Period...

    All 22 thousand and counting b.s. second amendment infringements at the state, federal and other municipality levels are hereby fricking null & void...

    No b.s. fricking permits and other b.s. to exercise a fundamental right we were fricking born with...

    The inherent right to defend our lives & liberty's and property and that of our friends, family, neighbors, etc., from all enemy's foreign or domestic; including but not limited to the tyranny of our own government... anywhere, anytime, using equal or greater force than may be brought against us...

    The Second Amendment Ain't About Duck Hunting ...

    "The people never give up their liberties, but under some delusion." - Edmund Burke

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bohemian View Post
    Arizona's Constitutional Carry (open or concealed, no b.s. required) is a step in the right direction the rest of the states need to follow...

    "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." - Second Amendment

    Nowhere does it state SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED Except...
    IF your zip code is x, your standing at y or the type or class of weapon you desire to keep or bear is z...
    OR if said weapon is carried openly or concealed...
    OR if you are in compliance with whatever draconian regulation & licensing scheme is concocted to keep us from freely exercising our fundamental rights...

    "The Second Amendment IS my Concealed (and Open) Carry Permit" - Ted Nugent...

    In my view the only new Firearm/Weapon related law (or Supreme Court Opinion) we need; IS that the Second Amendment STANDS ON ITS OWN...

    IT means WTF is says, "Shall Not Be Infringed" ... Fricking Period...

    All 22 thousand and counting b.s. second amendment infringements at the state, federal and other municipality levels are hereby fricking null & void...

    No b.s. fricking permits and other b.s. to exercise a fundamental right we were fricking born with...

    The inherent right to defend our lives & liberty's and property and that of our friends, family, neighbors, etc., from all enemy's foreign or domestic; including but not limited to the tyranny of our own government... anywhere, anytime, using equal or greater force than may be brought against us...

    The Second Amendment Ain't About Duck Hunting ...
    So...what are you saying, exactly...?? [/Humor]
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    If there was a way to make it universal without the federal government making impositions and more laws...

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