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    Guns on a Train!

    You've heard of the film Snakes on a Plane. Now, if you have a firearm, like, say, a Colt Python, you can take your Python on a train.

    Amtrak To Allow Guns on Trains, but Forces Riders to Jump Through Hoops | The Blaze

    Government-subsidized Amtrak is finally coming in line with a federal 2009 mandate that it allow passengers to transport firearms aboard its train cars.


    Amtrak says it will now allow unloaded firearms in checked baggage on trains starting Dec. 15. The change forced Amtrak to retrofit its train cars for gun storage. The new gun allowance, however, doesn’t come without its hoops. Riders are required to make reservations for the firearms at least 24 hours in advance and show up 30 minutes prior to boarding, according to the train service. In addition, riders must store the guns in locked, hard, Amtrak-approved cases, and the transporting passenger must have the only key or combination to the lock.


    In 2009, Congress passed a law requiring Amtrak to change its policy to allow firearm transportation or else lose its federal funding.
    So, basicly, trains are now just like planes when it comes to transporting your firearms from one part of the country to another.
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    LOL! The first thing I thought of when I read the title was snakes on a plane.

    I just caught the very end of a news item on NECN but I'm not sure if I heard it right, I'm wondering if anyone else saw it? I think it said airlines want people to give the a big advanced notice now if bringing guns on a plane?
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    My state law says I have to have a concealed license to carry a loaded weapon in or upon a vehicle and if you read Amtrak's rules you will find there is no penalty for carrying a weapon on a train.

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    I'm not advocating anything, but I'm offering my personal experience that occurred before I became a regular gun carrier.

    I took a trip with my family post 9-11 on an Amtrak train. I wondered how they'd handle my knives (I traveled with several, still do), so I made sure that the ones I wasn't carrying on my person, were hidden in my baggage.

    Not only did I not have to worry about a baggage check, or a personal check, I had easy access to my bags at any time during the ride.

    The conductor couldn't (or wouldn't) even stop the couple that kept repeatedly going down to the smoking lounge to smoke, even though the lounge was supposed to be off limits and smoking wasn't allowed on that train ride.

    If I ever take a train ride again I'm going to get a room in the sleeper car, for my own personal comfort. 24 hours on a train sucks and sleeping is awkward and rare. Concealed means concealed.

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    It's been a while...

    It's been a while, but IIRC, there was virtually no security at the boarding station. It was the A Train from Washington DC to Sanford Florida. Got on in Washington and can't remember any security to speak of.

    Just a general glance at the outside condition of the family car prior to it being loaded and no X-ray of us or the carry on.

    The 24 hour requiremet seems a little much. Not even Delta Airline require that much notice. At the airport I just walk up to the ticket counter, anounce I am transporting a firearm (wonder how it would go if I stepped up and loudly anounce "I have a gun!?), go through the demostration of locking the locks and pocketting the key and getting escorted to TSA bagage check.

    Kind of wonder if Amtrak ever would have changed it mind if the threat of loosing its federal funding wasn't on the table.
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    There is a problem in the lock part. Better not use a set of TSA approved locks. TSA has keys and violates the rule. And I've ridden the Amtrak trains many times. No searches. Could be a test case to carry on Amtrak as it is not Federal property that they operate on except the NEC.

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    ive ridden on amtrak in 37 states for about 175,000 miles (i like trains). i have never seen anybody searched except once when a stowaway was removed from the train by a local police department at the conductors request. i think amtrak should follow the state laws on guns much as it does on serving booze. if my memory serves me correct in montana however it is illegal to carry a gun on your person on a train. at least amtrak is moving a step in the right direction. have a happy and safe new year!

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    Quote Originally Posted by santa View Post
    ive ridden on amtrak in 37 states for about 175,000 miles (i like trains). i have never seen anybody searched except once when a stowaway was removed from the train by a local police department at the conductors request. i think amtrak should follow the state laws on guns much as it does on serving booze. if my memory serves me correct in montana however it is illegal to carry a gun on your person on a train. at least amtrak is moving a step in the right direction. have a happy and safe new year!
    Not quite as many miles but 29 states in a private car and 7 of those states also in Amtrak equipment. Plus on routes Amtrak doesn't run. Most security I've seen was in DC or Philly. Private car owners do have radios for contact with the train crews but I won't go further than that on discussing on car security.

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    Some more info to post about Amtrak....

    On Amtrak If there is nothing Prohibiting such Conduct (Gun Carry)..., then, it is Safe to assume such Conduct Legal. However, Federal Law, Enumerated under TITLE 18 PART I CHAPTER 97 § 1992, states: § 1992(7) Commits an Act, Including the USE of a Dangerous Weapon, with the Intent to cause Death or Serious Bodily Injury to any Person who is on Property described in SubParagraph (A) or (B) of Paragraph (4);

    Under Federal Law, the USE of Firearms with such INTENT is what is ILLEGAL, not just having them. Under Federal Law 18 U.S.C. 930, Trains, including Amtrak, do NOT qualify as Federal Facilities, because Amtrak employees are NOT federal Employees. If found to be carrying you more than likely would have to disembark at the next stop.

    Here in Washington State we are required to have a concealed license to carry in or upon any vehicle. Since I am not breaking any state law and as you see above I would not be breaking any Federal law... what is the problem?

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    it appears that its like any private property in that the owner has the right to have a no guns policy like for instance some malls or churchs. i realize that this brings up the old arguement about property rights vs 2nd amendment rights. i have to agree with m1gunr that the worst that would happen is that you would be asked to get off at the next stop. it could be a test case in court however. i would make sure about all the states and their laws you that would be traveling through. advise talking to lawyer. happy new year

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