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    Quote Originally Posted by jsdinTexas View Post
    +1 FUHR52

    The dimocrats have passed most of their legislation behind closed doors or by going through the "back door" to get it done - and they are busy right now getting their way before they are smacked down by the new boys coming to town.
    I have never worried about this country as much as I have in the last 2 years.
    Then that cause me to worry about you. I have been worried since Clinton left the white house. When he left we had no debt 3 years after Bush we were getting deeper and deeper in debt. What makes it worse is China is the country we are in debt to. Explains why they are allowed to poison us and our pets and still be allowed to send their goods to the USA to finish us off. And the new boys coming to town are the same ones that caused the problems that allowed Obama to get elected.

    I have decided it really does not matter who is put in office for they don't do anything to help us just themselves and their party. So 2012 most will vote in Sarah Palin since she could not do any worse then those before her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nogods View Post
    Ah, another Humpty Dumpty fan.

    Words mean exactly whatever you want them to mean.

    I hate to break this to you, but you are not the arbitrator of the Constitution. We have a division of out government for that purpose. When you occupy 5 of those 9 seats you can start telling the rest of us what the words mean Humpty.
    Ah, Another liberal backside kissing left wing loon...

    Do you even own a gun?

    So by your logic we all just have to wait for the courts to strip us of our preexisting rights and then go along with it like sheep? Yea... NO... That's when we exercise our right to begin anew...

    People like this moron who theorize that the founding fathers did not mean what they said or wrote are to be trusted?

    Supreme Court Justice Breyer: Founders Were For Restricting Guns... Why Breyer is Wrong - Publius Forum

    The Constitution and Bill of Rights need not be arbitrated, just adhered to... That is my point...
    You can give peace a chance alright..

    I'll seek cover in case it goes badly..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kasper View Post
    Then that cause me to worry about you. I have been worried since Clinton left the white house. When he left we had no debt 3 years after Bush we were getting deeper and deeper in debt. What makes it worse is China is the country we are in debt to. Explains why they are allowed to poison us and our pets and still be allowed to send their goods to the USA to finish us off. And the new boys coming to town are the same ones that caused the problems that allowed Obama to get elected.

    I have decided it really does not matter who is put in office for they don't do anything to help us just themselves and their party. So 2012 most will vote in Sarah Palin since she could not do any worse then those before her.
    Did you vote for Obama? If so I worry about you... Are you one of the those programmed to repeat "Its all GW's fault."?

    I was worried when Clinton WAS in office. He signed into law the Assault Weapons Ban. A truly unconstitutional pile of crap...

    Perhaps if we had elected officials that honored the Constitution and Bill of Rights, understood compromise is not the way to get the job done, and that socialism is not going to make this country better we would not be in this mess.
    You can give peace a chance alright..

    I'll seek cover in case it goes badly..

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    When Clinton was in office he was still riding the coat tails of the Regan economy and then he gutted the military to reduce the debt. Had his health care bill passed he would not have pulled off the reduced debt. I'm no big fan of GW, but he did have to rebuild what Clinton gutted and don't forget that the democrats controlled congress his last two years in office.
    "You can get a lot accomplished if you don't care who gets the credit" - Ronald Reagan

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    When you look at the second amendment at the time of writing militia means free men gathering in a group for common defense, not military.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare45 View Post
    ...at the time of writing militia means free men gathering in a group for common defense...
    Right-oh!

    How did this turn into a Clinton/economics/Reagan argument?

    Oh I remember, 6shooter started insulting people and then it goes right off track. Got it.

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    As somebody who is NOT an American but a very law abiding and responsible gun owner and CCW permit holder I will give you my 5 cents on it.

    If there was any other wording in the constitution other than "shall not be infringed upon" I would say that the people that wrote it would probably support "reasonable" gun regulation. But the very wording suggests to me that they wanted none of it since they realized it would just open the door to so much red tape that it would ultimately make little difference.

    But the Supreme court has generally upheld that the States have the right to regulate these affairs which is why we now have a mischmasch of regulations and some states that don't allow anything at all. It seems hard to understand from an outsiders perspective how that can be seen as being in the spirit of the 2nd.

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    You are right "shall not be infringed" means just that. Unless of course you are a progressive liberal, then you some how know that the framers didn't understand what they were writing. But they some how know. We need to let them fix it. Us poor common people just don't understand these things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fuhr52 View Post
    When Clinton was in office he was still riding the coat tails of the Regan economy and then he gutted the military to reduce the debt. Had his health care bill passed he would not have pulled off the reduced debt. I'm no big fan of GW, but he did have to rebuild what Clinton gutted and don't forget that the democrats controlled congress his last two years in office.
    And don't forget the Democrats had control of the Senate the first two years too. 50 Dems, 48 Reps, 2 Inds who voted with the Dems from 2001 to 2003.

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    Quote Originally Posted by walt629 View Post
    Most often the infringement of our rights is not so much about violation of the Constitution as is about the power gain of an individual in a position of power. Kind of 'circular reasoning'.

    These morons we put into office are all about power. How do they maintain their power base? They enact regulations and laws that make the MAJORITY of their power base happy so they get re-elected.

    When it comes to the Constitution there is a little more complication envolved. To 'by pass' the Constitution the politician needs to have another instrument available to weild their will and that would come from the Judiciary. The judges side with the politician to enforce a law that they agree with. The way the politician makes sure the judge will be on his side of the fence is to support the judges vie for office.

    How do we end this all encompassing circle of corrupt power?

    We exercise our right to vote! Get educated about who it is running in your local government, your state govenmnet and finally your federal represtative.

    Be smart. Vote for your interests but remember, the other side of the fence is doing the same, so winning them over to our side is very important.

    Stand for your rights. Stand for the Constitution. But be educated about the issues and share that education with others that may not have the same stance as you do. Not every "anti" is anti out of a clear understanding of the issues.

    Gun ownership is an issue most often discussed from an emotional stand point rather than an educated one.

    Oops! There's that damned soap box again! Sorry!
    Well said!
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