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    Last Stand at the This-is-Not-O.K. Corral

    Don Alejo Garza Tamez: True Grit

    This happened in Mexico, but it's only a matter of time before it bleeds onto American soil, if it has not already.

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    On Saturday, November 13, a group of toughs arrived at Don Alejo’s ranch about 10 miles outside of Ciudad Victoria, the capital city of the Mexican state of Tamaulipas. Victoria, as it is now called, is about 100 miles due south of Laredo, Texas, and about 80 miles southwest of Brownsville. The ranch sits on a pretty lake where Don Alejo had lived most of his life. He was informed that he had 24 hours to vacate the premises. He responded simply that he would be waiting for them.

    The first thing Don Alejo did was to let his ranch hands leave and take the next day off. Next, he secured his home, spending most of the evening preparing for the coming assault. He placed weapons and ammunition at every door and window, thought through how he would defend the place, and went to bed.

    At 4 a.m. Sunday morning, several motor vehicles pulled up in front of Don Alejo’s home, with the thugs announcing their arrival by firing rounds from their weapons into the air. What happened next caught them totally by surprise. The criminals had taken over other properties without resistance, often with the occupants running from the house, screaming for mercy.

    Instead, Don Alejo began picking off one after another of the attackers. When they discovered that their return fire was proving ineffective, the thugs began throwing grenades into the house. The firefight, it is estimated, lasted no more than about 5 minutes. In the end, 4 attackers lay dead, two more mortally wounded, and Don Alejo himself lying dead in a pool of blood.
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    Cathy, why do you think Mexico and the U.S. would be similar enough for anything like that to ever happen here?

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    Not sure about this one. On the one hand the guy ended up dead and ultimately would have ended up dead no matter what because the trafficantes would have had to kill him to send a message to anyone else that was considering resistance.

    That said, if everyone just folds they’ve won anyway. If enough people stand and fight they will lose eventually. The question is “Who’s willing to die?”.
    See, it's mumbo jumbo like that and skinny little lizards like you thinking they the last dragon that gives Kung Fu a bad name.
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    Thumbs up Interesting post, Cathy!

    Replace the banditos with government agents (remember the recent imminent domain disgrace?) and I could very easily see it happening here!
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    How about replacing the banditos with... banditos. We already know that there are units of the Mexican army which are escorting and protecting the narco-terrorists as they invade the Southwest United States to meet up with their American trafficking components to transfer the drugs and illegal aliens north and the cash south. Why shouldn't they start menacing the American ranchers for safehouses and storehouses and more convenient smuggling routes? They're already entirely bold enough to murder Americans on American soil to obtain their silence. Why not do so for their land and buildings?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cocked _and_Locked View Post
    Cathy, why do you think Mexico and the U.S. would be similar enough for anything like that to ever happen here?
    Why would you be naive enough to believe that it could not or would not happen?
    You can give peace a chance alright..

    I'll seek cover in case it goes badly..

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    There have already been a few attempts like this one in the US and there will be more

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6shootercarry View Post
    Why would you be naive enough to believe that it could not or would not happen?
    Not naive, just realistic. Because it hasn't happened. Past performance is no guarantee of furure results, but it is a good indicator. This "problem" is as old as the border between the U.S. and Mexico itself. Just because a few paranoid whackos are expessing their never-ending psychotic fear about it now doesn't change anything.
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    There have already been a few attempts like this one in the US and there will be more
    Says who, you?

    Sorry, but you're gonna have to cite that.

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    Some material for educational purpose.

    U.S.-Mexico Border Issues: A Selected Bibliography from the Smithsonian Institution Libraries' Collections

    Yea, it has been going on forever.
    You can give peace a chance alright..

    I'll seek cover in case it goes badly..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Treo View Post
    Not sure about this one. On the one hand the guy ended up dead and ultimately would have ended up dead no matter what because the trafficantes would have had to kill him to send a message to anyone else that was considering resistance.

    That said, if everyone just folds they’ve won anyway. If enough people stand and fight they will lose eventually. The question is “Who’s willing to die?”.
    The following assumes this is a true story...

    IMO he should have done a few things different (if he could):

    1) Prepare to take as many out as possible before they exit their vehicles. There are probably several things on a ranch that could help with this. Basically, blow up the vehicles with the BGs in them.
    2) I would have not said anything about resisting to them. Let them think you've left and hit them by surprise.
    3) Have an exit strategy. Once you've done all the damage you can have a way out of the house. If it comes to that they'll get the house anyway, so you may as well live through it.

    I don't think this would happen too long in the US. At some point Mexico would get an ultimatum, and then if it continues north Mexico would become South Texas. This is regardless of who is in the White House - at some point the pressure to fight is too much.

    I don't know much about the situation (house design, yard/landscape design, available ordnance, skill level of the ranch owner, location, etc) and am certainly no expert so the above is just my humble opinion.

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