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    Update by CBS Today 3-3-11

    Agent: I was ordered to let U.S. guns into Mexico - CBS Evening News - CBS News

    Other than CBS the whole thing is a non story.

    Go to Drudgereport.com
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    Send the CBS link to Drudge.
    Maybe after a few hundred it will get some attention.

    My own opinion is that They needed actual statistics for Hillary to go for teh UN Small Arms treaty.
    If anyone has NEXUS Search Hillary has used the phrase US Gun Shops are selling weapons to Mexio.

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    What did they know and when did they know it.

    Ok it is finally on Drudge
    Here is another timeline to think about.

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    The Myth of 90 Percent: Only a Small Fraction of Guns in Mexico Come From U.S.
    By William La Jeunesse & Maxim Lott
    Published April 02, 2009


    Read more: FoxNews.com - The Myth of 90 Percent: Only a Small Fraction of Guns in Mexico Come From U.S.

    You've heard this shocking "fact" before -- on TV and radio, in newspapers, on the Internet and from the highest politicians in the land: 90 percent of the weapons used to commit crimes in Mexico come from the United States.
    -- Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said it to reporters on a flight to Mexico City.
    -- CBS newsman Bob Schieffer referred to it while interviewing President Obama.
    -- California Sen. Dianne Feinstein said at a Senate hearing: "It is unacceptable to have 90 percent of the guns that are picked up in Mexico and used to shoot judges, police officers and mayors ... come from the United States."
    -- William Hoover, assistant director for field operations at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, testified in the House of Representatives that "there is more than enough evidence to indicate that over 90 percent of the firearms that have either been recovered in, or interdicted in transport to Mexico, originated from various sources within the United States."


    Read more: FoxNews.com - The Myth of 90 Percent: Only a Small Fraction of Guns in Mexico Come From U.S.

    But Tom Diaz, senior policy analyst at the Violence Policy Center, called the "90 percent" issue a red herring and said that it should not detract from the effort to stop gun trafficking into Mexico.
    "Let's do what we can with what we know," he said. "We know that one hell of a lot of firearms come from the United States because our gun market is wide open."


    Read more:FoxNews.com - The Myth of 90 Percent: Only a Small Fraction of Guns in Mexico Come From U.S.

    Now fast forward to January 2011

    he U.S. has provided hundreds of millions of dollars in support and will deliver another half-billion in equipment and training this year. It has helped train thousands of policemen and sent helicopters and other crime-fighting technology.
    Clinton has been frank about the shared American responsibility for the drug problem. Stubbornly high U.S. demand drives the trade, and firearms smuggled from the United States are involved in much of the violence, an issue reinforced by a small group of protesters who greeted Clinton’s arrival with chants and signs saying “No more U.S. guns.”
    Toeing a sensitive line meant to address Mexico’s concerns while avoiding a fight with firearms supporters in the United States, Clinton said the administration “was committed to doing what could be done” to require dealers near the Mexican border to report multiple purchases of high-powered rifles, which have become the weapon of choice for cartels.
    The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives asked the White House for the requirement last month, and the move is likely to face stiff opposition from gun rights advocates. Clinton said the bureau should have “additional tools” shortly, but said officials were working to ensure that any regulation “isn’t challenged and it is sustainable.”
    Few hold out hope that the Mexican government can rout the cartels quickly. It faces numerous challenges from sentencing criminals to stamping out corruption in its police ranks.
    Clinton previously has compared the fight to Colombia’s decades-long battle against drug gangs and compared Mexico’s criminal groups to “insurgencies.” Harsher critics even have described the country as in some ways resembling a failed state – an assessment that causes Mexican officials to bristle.
    But Clinton stressed that there has been great progress. She said nearly two dozen high-level traffickers have been captured or killed in the last year, and that the U.S. has blocked business for hundreds of companies linked to drug kingpins.
    Hillary Clinton supports Mexico in 'messy' drug war - El Paso Times
    01/24/2011 05:25:42 PM MST

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    This story was on DRUDGE when I went to bed last night.
    Now it is gone without a trace......
    CBS still has it but not many people watch CBS.

    Bummer.

    As a Gun Owner, or just as a US Citizen this story should make your blood boil.

    Govt. officials creating statistics so they can push their agendas forward.

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    I urge everyone in this Forum to do this today!

    I urge everyone to go to Drudgereport.com
    And paste something like this in the tips box

    BATF relying on Main Stream Media to bury story.

    ATF memo after CBS report: We need positive press - CBS News Investigates - CBS News

    From BATF memo dated today
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    Given the negative coverage by CBS Evening News last week and upcoming events this week, the bureau should look for every opportunity to push coverage of good stories. Fortunately, the CBS story has not sparked any follow up coverage by mainstream media and seems to have fizzled.

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    Eric Holder’s call for the Justice Department’s inspector general

    CCRKBA LAUDS HOLDER DECISION
    TO ‘FOLLOW OUR SUGGESTION’


    BELLEVUE, WA – The Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms said today that Attorney General Eric Holder’s call for the Justice Department’s inspector general to examine the “Project Gunrunner” scandal is “exactly what we called on him to do more than a week ago.”

    Holder announced Thursday night – following a second expose by CBS News on the a Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives operation in Phoenix dubbed “Fast and Furious” that is part of the agency’s broader “Project Gunrunner” effort – that he was asking the Inspector General to look into allegations that the operation deliberately allowed hundreds of guns to be transported to Mexico. That decision was followed by a second announcement by ATF Acting Director Kenneth Melson that he will assemble a panel of law enforcement professionals to review the agency’s strategies.

    “Evidently,” said CCRKBA Chairman Alan Gottlieb, “Mr. Holder acted on our advice. This scandal screams for an investigation, and Sen. Charles Grassley should not be out there on his own probing this scandal.”

    CCRKBA issued a statement on Feb. 24 that called on Holder to either investigate the Gunrunner controversy or step down. CCRKBA also urged its members to contact their senators and congressional representatives, demanding oversight hearings on the ATF’s handling of this operation.

    “Guns allowed into the illicit pipeline by the ‘Fast and Furious’ operation were involved in the death of Border Patrol agent Brian Terry and countless other crimes in Mexico and the United States,” Gottlieb added. “Reports by CBS, the Los Angeles Times and other news agencies point to an operation that got out of control in a hurry. The people responsible for this mess should be fired.

    “Because of the CBS revelations last night,” he said, “we are renewing our call for American gun owners to contact Capitol Hill and ask why the appropriate House and Senate committees are not already investigating this debacle.”

    Call the U.S. Capitol Switchboard at (202) 224-3121.

  7. BATF is hiding this but so far about 12 agents have said we let hundreds if not thousands of straw purchases go south of border. One agent came forward for an on camera interview, saying it was one of the AK's that they let walk that killed our man. ATF is threatening anyone who comes forward with being fired.


    This is huge, also came out that our agent had bean bag bullets in his rifle when he was killed with one of the AK's that the BATF let walk. We must keep the pressure on this admistration so that it does not get swept under the rug!
    Rumor confirmed: Murdered agent Terry armed with beanbag rounds - National gun rights | Examiner.com

    Agent Brian Terry's brother interviewed today on Fox said they can not get any information from our government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by golocx4 View Post
    I urge everyone to go to Drudgereport.com
    And paste something like this in the tips box

    BATF relying on Main Stream Media to bury story.

    ATF memo after CBS report: We need positive press - CBS News Investigates - CBS News

    From BATF memo dated today
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    Given the negative coverage by CBS Evening News last week and upcoming events this week, the bureau should look for every opportunity to push coverage of good stories. Fortunately, the CBS story has not sparked any follow up coverage by mainstream media and seems to have fizzled.
    It looks like they're succeeding in putting positive news stories in the press that will over shadow the negative. U.S. border town mayor arrested on gun running charges - Yahoo! News
    The bust followed a year-long investigation led by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, or ATF, together with the Immigration and Customs Enforcement and Drug Enforcement Administration agencies.
    "The 2nd amendment was never intended to allow private citizens to 'keep and bear arms'. If it had, there would have been wording such as 'the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed'." -- Ken Konecki on Usenet, on 27 Jul 1992

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    Guys, this is typical government screw-up 101 happening here. The BATFE will do whatever it takes to sweep this one under the rug and hope that, with some passing of time, they will be able to have at least one leg to stand on the next opportunity they get to trample on your gun rights.

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    I haven't heard any more about this. The commies have successfully swept it under the rug.
    "The 2nd amendment was never intended to allow private citizens to 'keep and bear arms'. If it had, there would have been wording such as 'the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed'." -- Ken Konecki on Usenet, on 27 Jul 1992

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