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    Rioting in London

    The battle of Trafalgar Square: Police struggle to control rioters after 500,000-strong London march against cuts ends in violence | Mail Online

    Scary stuff.

    Lets all hope none of this happens here. But more importantly, lets all be ready to protect our families, homes, communities and nation if it does.

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    What do you mean "Let's hope it doesn't happen here."? That is what I call whistling past the cemetary!

    All we have to observe is the "reaction" in Wisconsin to attempts to curtail spending, multiply THAT by a thousand fold and you have arrived at exactly WHY Congress seems absolutely incapable of doing anything remotely resembling serious attempts to balance our budget. They are running scared!

    When a human's "existance" is threatened.... in this case translated to mean being required to do without a LOT of the free rides the Government, in it's effort to appear "humanitarian" (... and to "buy votes").... your average human degenerates into the civility level of a cave man, struggling with ANYONE who threatens his/her existance. (Even if that "threat" is falsely arrived at through flawed thinking!)

    The above poster blithely presumes that all gun owners are going to side with the "Law and Order" side of things. The "Law and Order" being represented by the Government, which MANY of us already have a healthy contempt for as they try to placate everyone and please no one. No. I see roughly half of gun owners (legal ones, at any rate) on each side of the matter. Half going off into a great yauwp of self survival (perceived), the other half trying to preserve the basic civility, order and prosperity of the Nation.

    Even at that, my personal choice would be to protect me and mine as first priority, thereby leaving the more "noble causes" of preserving the Nation to someone willing to upset the entire apple cart to "get their way".

    Here's the dilemma. The Government, in it's infinate wisdom, has promised too much to too many to be able to afford the keeping of it's promises. (One of the great faults of Government social efforts. Not to mention attempting to relieve the average citizen from the responsibility of taking care of him/her self.)

    Now the Government is FORCED to say; "Look, we have gotten a bit carried away with the providing of warm and fuzzies... we are going to have to take a lot of it back." To which the average, self centered, self survival oriented "citizen" will retort; "Over my dead body!"

    Unfortunately, I see that as exactly the end game in this stand off.

    Further unfortunate is the lack of Leadership in this Nation. The type of leadership required to promulgate a clear plan to curtail the impending financial mess/cliff we are heading for, explain it carefully and openly to the citizenry, with reasons WHY this MUST be done and do it. If the general run of the citizenry reject this.... then what will be will be. I don't see our way of life, so carefully defended and cultivated for all these years, surviving the chaos.

    All it would take is extended, violent and widespread civil unrest to have someone like King Obama to declare "A National State of Emergency" to suspend our "Rights". Another course of action guaranteed to "fundamentally change the US" as he so blatently offered as one of his "goals" if elected.

    A democratic form of Government can only survive if the general run of the citizenry is smart enough to realize that things are not always going to go the way they particularly want it to go. Once "mob rule" under the guise of self preservation comes into play to any great extent..... the Government literally is forced to reply in kind to quell the violence. We see this in many "third world" Nations. The mere fact of us being a prosperous "first world" Nation does NOT exempt us from degenerating into a mob ruled anarchy.

    I don't see a "good ending" to the present course of Government action (inaction). I'm just ever so happy that I am closer to the end of my life rather than at the beginning. I don't think I would be interested in the "future of America" I see beginning to rear it's ugly head.... particularly having the life experience of the "good days of America" under my belt.

    Just sayin'.

    GG
    Fanatics of any sort are dangerous! -GG-
    Which part of "... shall NOT be infringed..." confuses you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grognard Gunny View Post
    What do you mean "Let's hope it doesn't happen here."? That is what I call whistling past the cemetary!

    All we have to observe is the "reaction" in ...

    GG
    I wrote my priorities in descending order: families, homes, communities, nation.

    I don't believe in Obama, socialism, big government.

    I will stop at nothing to protect what is precious to me.

    There are quotes from the founders that emphasize violence as a sometimes necessary means for change, but the founders also gave a us an outline for a government that changes and responds to the will of the people already.

    If peaceful resolutions can be reached they should be preferred. I am not anxious for a civil war in which all of our enemies could jump on and take us by the reins. I don't think any person, honestly facing the consequences of such a conflict, could be anxious for such an outcome.

    This is where some people can display bravado first class and there is very little consequence. But I am going to be honest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grognard Gunny View Post
    All it would take is extended, violent and widespread civil unrest to have someone like King Obama to declare "A National State of Emergency" to suspend our "Rights". Another course of action guaranteed to "fundamentally change the US" as he so blatently offered as one of his "goals" if elected.
    I don't think the civil unrest would even have to be that "extended", and Socialist MaoBama will suspend our rights. The vehicle has already been set in motion, ie. the Patriot Act, Real ID Act, Food Safety Modernization Act.

    The rights that Americans hold most dear are eroded little by little without them even knowing. No legislator is exempt from this huge gaff. Even Ron Paul voted for the FSMA of 2010 which could make growing tomatoes in your backyard and sharing them with your neighbor illegal. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness is on the chopping block if a guy can't even grow a few vegetables.

    I agree with everything you wrote, Gunny, but I'm (hopefully) not to the point that I won't see the great change that's happening in the next twenty years. I have a young son who will be inheriting this mess, and I fear he will face a much tougher world than the one we grew up in.
    "The 2nd amendment was never intended to allow private citizens to 'keep and bear arms'. If it had, there would have been wording such as 'the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed'." -- Ken Konecki on Usenet, on 27 Jul 1992

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    For the good of ...

    All governments, no matter what type, exist to regulate (control) the masses. About the only difference between a so-called free govt (USA) and non-free (China, USSR) is that our govt says: "we're doing this for the good of the people." And theirs says: "we're doing this for the good of the state." Both statements are interchangeable for the most part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsdinTexas View Post
    All governments, no matter what type, exist to regulate (control) the masses. About the only difference between a so-called free govt (USA) and non-free (China, USSR) is that our govt says: "we're doing this for the good of the people." And theirs says: "we're doing this for the good of the state." Both statements are interchangeable for the most part.
    .... and both statements are generally lies.

    GG
    Fanatics of any sort are dangerous! -GG-
    Which part of "... shall NOT be infringed..." confuses you?
    Well now, aren't WE a pair, Raggedy Man? (Thunderdome)

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    Someone please bring me another "Dead Horse", armed citizens are citizens, unarmed individuals are subjects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare45 View Post
    Someone please bring me another "Dead Horse", armed citizens are citizens, unarmed individuals are subjects.
    Given that one generally buries dead horses... I surmise that your "concern" over this is limited to hunkering down and "fightin' off them Freedom stealin' Feds" when the time comes. I submit that if it gets to THAT point, we are already lost.

    I tend to take a little more proactive stand on these weighty issues. Mainly because I don't want to see the US degenerate into some third world toilet bowl. Only the vigilant will win this "war".... i.e. those who would attempt to head off the impending crisis.

    Those who would wait until the "feudin' and fightin'" begins will find that it is already too late by then.

    Just sayin'.

    GG
    Fanatics of any sort are dangerous! -GG-
    Which part of "... shall NOT be infringed..." confuses you?
    Well now, aren't WE a pair, Raggedy Man? (Thunderdome)

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