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    Quote Originally Posted by CathyInBlue View Post
    While it is accurate to say that this is what the law as written says, it does not describe objective reality WRT how to BATFE operates. As far as I can tell, the NICS has never deleted a single record of successful transactions (gun purchase records including name of recipient) in the entire time it's been in operation. Likewise, the gun registration list prohibition is on AUTOMATED or ELECTRONIC records which can be accessed instantly and widely. All gun purchases from federally licensed dealers have resulted in a permanent, PAPER registration record being generated for BATFE's use.

    There have been numerous attempts by ATF to out-right IGNORE the McClure-Volkmer Amendment which prohibits them from spending one thin dime on the equipment, man power, or time to do the data entry to turn that mountain of paperwork into a computerized database. Each time, the Congress has had to pass another act to smack their hands and claw back monies from the ATF for the wastages, but they continually and persistently keep trying. When they figured out that successful NICS checks would be really good surrogate for a database of ATF form 4473s and claimed that they needed to retain those records automaticly generated during the normal operation of the NICS for 30 days, then 60 days, then 90 days, then 180 days, then forever, for the stated purposes of system reliability auditing and debugging.

    Originally, the form 4473 died with the business that generated it. Now, when the ATF and local government manages to drive a gun dealer out of business, they have to surrender their 4473s to the ATF (read: easier to archive gun registration records). Now, the ATF has an e4473 application for licensed dealers to use locally to generate electronic 4473 records to "eliminate errors" in the processing of the forms. When dealers using those programs are put out of business, those electronic records will go back to the ATF, and so the ATF will have electronic records of private gun ownership without, itself, having spend a thin dime on the data entry process.

    Form 4473 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Amen to that

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    Cathy: Thank you for posting this information. There are some on here that believe that gun registration is not happening, even with the forms filled out when buying guns. One thing about the government, when they obtain information of any kind, it will be retained and can come back to bite one in the hinder parts sooner or later. Especially when it concerns guns!

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    Actually the NFA contridicts Superme Court rulings such as
    Lewis v. United States, 445 U.S. 95 (1980). Lewis recognized -- in summarizing the holding of Miller, supra, as "the Second Amendment guarantees no right to keep and bear a firearm that does not have 'some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia'" (emphasis added) -- that Miller had focused upon the type of firearm. Further, Lewis was concerned only with whether the provision of the Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act of 1968 which prohibits the possession of firearms by convicted felons (codified in 18 U.S.C. 922(g) in 1986) violated the Second Amendment. Thus, since convicted felons historically were and are subject to the loss of numerous fundamental rights of citizenship -- including the right to vote, hold office, and serve on juries -- it was not erroneous for the Court to have concluded that laws prohibiting the possession of firearms by a convicted felon "are neither based upon constitutionally suspect criteria, nor do they trench upon any constitutionally protected liberties."


    But then we would have to opedn up a whole new discussion as to hat the militia is, and here's a hint it ain't the national guard.

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