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    Quote Originally Posted by Ringo View Post
    International Treaties deal in International Law and supersedes. Sad but true, dig deep you'll see.
    Show me where. give me a source for this statement back it up.
    The Only Easy Day Was Yesterday

  3. Quote Originally Posted by Ringo View Post
    International Treaties deal in International Law and supersedes. Sad but true, dig deep you'll see.
    I don't have to dig very deep to find instances that the supreme court ruled that international law does NOT supersede the constitution, or even supersedes individual state laws (see Medellin v. Texas). This is a sovereign state, within our territory our laws are and always will be supreme to any so called international law.

    That said, in instances where there is ambiguity in US law or not all parties to a case are in fact American Citizens I have no real problem with the supreme court considering international conventions when making decisions, for example in Abbott v. Abbott the court considered terms of the Hague Convention on the Civil Aspects of International Child Abduction in it's decision regarding a case where a child of a US Citizen and a UK Citizen was removed from their country of residence to the US by the custodial parent after a divorce. In this case there is no clear cut US law saying what the appropriate outcome should be. Using international treaties and conventions to guide American jurisprudence is acceptable.

    In the case of Firearms ownership there is no ambiguity.

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    U.N. Gun Ban Facts

    NRA News: UN Doomsday Treaty With Ginny Simone


    The Arms Trade Treaty | IANSA - the global movement against gun violence

    The UN General Assembly has established negotiations for an ATT, to conclude in 2012.

    International Gun Destruction Day
    Date: 09 Jul 2011
    Every year this day is marked by governments, UN agencies and NGOs through gun destruction events and awareness raising programmes around the world.

    International Gun Destruction Day | IANSA - the global movement against gun violence

    NRA-ILA Protects Gun Owners’ Rights During UN Arms Trade Treaty Meeting

    Friday, July 23, 2010

    The NRA’s Institute for Legislative Action wrapped up its lobbying efforts at the first session of the UN committee drafting an “arms trade treaty.” The “Preparatory Committee for the UN Arms Trade Treaty Conference” (called the “Prep Com”) has been meeting in New York from July 12 to today, July 23. The meeting is one in a series to prepare for a major conference to finalize an arms trade treaty in 2012.

    NRA-ILA was one of few pro-gun groups at the meeting. Anti-gun groups had a strong presence led by the International Action Network on Small Arms.

    The Chairman of the meeting, Ambassador Roberto Garcia Moritan, released a 14-point outline of a possible arms trade treaty. Several other supporting position papers were also published. The inclusion of civilian firearms remains one of the controversial aspects of the proposed treaty. Countries such as Mexico and the Netherlands want civilian firearms included in the treaty. Other countries, such as New Zealand, want those types of arms excluded from the treaty. In a move that disappointed anti-gun groups, Moritan’s treaty outline includes a category for “Exclusions,” and the supporting position paper lists an exclusion covering civilian firearms. Still, we must remain vigilant on this and series of other threatening issues.

    The Prep Com will meet again in New York the week of February 28, 2011. It will meet a second time in July 2011. There are also an extensive series of workshops scheduled for 2011 to “support” the Arms Trade Treaty.

    Below, you may view video coverage of these meetings by NRA News correspondent Ginny Simone.

    We will report on further developments as they occur.
    NRA-ILA :: NRA-ILA Protects Gun Owners

    As Recently as June 6-8 2011 the U.S. Attended the following U.N.
    Seminar on “Supporting the Arms Trade Treaty Negotiations through Regional Discussions and Expertise Sharing, Bali, 6-8 June 2011

    Ministry of Foreign Affairs - Seminar on

    Treaty's are covered in part under the Supremacy Clause of the U.S. Constitution, notwithstanding members of congress are frequently quoted as saying many of the things we do in Congress are not constitutional...
    ObamaCare for example...

    The U.N. Small Arms Treaty is not something to take lightly as the last time it nearly passed the U.S. Senate, and we all know Obama would sign it in a minute if it came across his desk...

    NRA - International/UN Gun Control Issues
    How The United Nations Endangers Your Firearm Freedom

    NRA-ILA :: How The United Nations Endangers Your Firearm Freedom

    Friday, June 17, 2011

    NRA will be in attendance at the UN’s Arms Trade Treaty (ATT) “Preparatory Committee” meeting in New York, July 11-15. The so-called “Prep. Com.” will be laying the ground work for a final negotiation session in 2012. NRA’s message will be simple and strong – an ATT which in any way, shape or form affects the constitutional rights of American gun owners is simply unacceptable. Civilian firearms must not be within the scope of an ATT. There will be no compromise on this crucial point.
    U.S. Senator Jerry Moran (R-Kansas) agrees with NRA’s position and has drafted a letter to President Obama and Secretary of State Clinton expressing “grave concern about the dangers posed by the United Nations’ Arms Trade Treaty.”
    Members are strongly encouraged to contact their U.S. Senators and urge them to stand by Sen. Moran, the Constitution and America’s gun owners by supporting and signing this critically important letter (you can find contact information for your U.S. Senators here, or you may contact them by phone at (202) 224-3121).
    As we have often reported, NRA has been engaged at the United Nations and elsewhere internationally in response to anti-small arms initiatives for more than 15 years. During this time, we have been actively opposing transnational efforts that would limit Americans’ Second Amendment freedoms and have been monitoring and actively fighting any and all attempts on the part of the UN to restrict our sovereignty and gun rights.
    NRA has been a recognized Non-Governmental Organization at the United Nations since 1996. Our status as an NGO allows us to closely monitor the internal UN debate over firearm issues and report back to our members. Our NGO status also allowed NRA to take an active role in thwarting the absurdly titled “UN Conference to Review Progress Made in the Implementation of the Programme of Action to Prevent and Eradicate the Illicit Trade in Small Arms and Light Weapons in All Its Aspects” in 2006, and the previous meeting, the “UN Conference on the Illicit Trade in Small Arms and Light Weapons” in the summer of 2001.

    In addition to its UN activities, NRA is a founding member of the World Forum on the Future of Sport Shooting Activities. The WFSA is an association of hunting, shooting, and industry organizations that was founded in 1996. The WFSA includes over 35 national and international organizations, representing over 100 million sport shooters worldwide.
    NRA members may rest assured that NRA will be actively involved in this process and will oppose any treaty that attempts to impose limits on our Second Amendment rights. In the meantime, members should contact their U.S. Senators and urge them to sign Sen. Moran’s letter.

    "The people never give up their liberties, but under some delusion." - Edmund Burke

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