Project Gun Runner - Time To Abolish The Unconstitutional BATFE
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    Project Gun Runner - Time To Abolish The Unconstitutional BATFE

    June 14, 2011

    Capitol Hill Report

    Gun Owners of America
    The Push to Expose ATF's Gunrunner Cover-up Continues

    Leaders from Gun Owners of America attended a congressional hearing yesterday where Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA) laid the groundwork for what could, ultimately, send several federal agents to jail.

    Rep. Issa, who has been investigating the scandal known as Project Gunrunner, questioned a panel of witnesses with experience in investigating corruption in the Executive Branch.

    The question of the day was: Does the Justice Department have to respond to subpoenas relating to Project Gunrunner -- a scandal which involves corruption in the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF)?

    So far, the Department of Justice has sat on many crucial documents that have been subpoenaed by Congressman Issa.

    But, to a man, each one of the witnesses on this star-studded panel -- many of them former Democrat operatives -- all told Rep. Issa that (short of some unforeseen circumstance) the Obama Administration SHOULD COMPLY with the subpoenas and give Congress the documents it is requesting (but which are currently being withheld).

    Last week, GOA once again called upon the Congress to cut funding for a program that allows the Obama Administration to put guns into the hands of suspected gun smugglers, and then to turn around and blame law-abiding gun owners for the problem!

    Battle heating up over anti-gun ObamaCare

    In other efforts to cut anti-gun spending, the battle to repeal ObamaCare is still being waged. But recent news over budget battles in Congress are somewhat distressing.

    If Congressional Quarterly is correct, gun owners are going to be disappointed with a deal that is being hammered out right now on Capitol Hill. In exchange for raising the debt ceiling, said CQ last week, politicians are promising that many spending cuts will not occur until "the next decade or longer."

    This is a real problem. As pointed out by last week, it will be 'difficult, if not impossible, for Congress to enforce these promised cuts on a future Congress.'

    That means we would get increased spending (for things like anti-gun ObamaCare) with a promise of cuts in the future that will almost certainly never occur.

    We need to let our Congressmen know that a vote to raise the debt ceiling WITHOUT voting to cut ObamaCare NOW is an anti-gun vote. Don't let them sell you on the phony promise that they will get spending cuts 20 years down the road. Those cuts will never materialize!

    According to RedState last week: "Members of the Tea Party and the conservative movement need to be prepared for some serious disappointment if news reports are correct."

    Why? Because in exchange for raising the debt ceiling, politicians are promising future cuts to spending which will occur so far in the future that "many of these politicians cutting the deal will be long gone from Washington, DC."

    That's why we need to demand spending cuts right now. And cutting anti-gun ObamaCare and Project Gunrunner would be two good places to start.

    ACTION: Please click here to send a email urging your Representative to vote NO on raising the debt ceiling unless there are REAL CUTS to defund ObamaCare and Project Gunrunner that will take place immediately.

    "The people never give up their liberties, but under some delusion." - Edmund Burke

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    Just did my part, thanks for the link.
    Keep your paws off my Carrots and my guns
    My rules to live by Never trust a squirrel, never french kiss an ardvark and never bring Jumbo hotdogs to a nudist colony barbcue.

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    wild eyed willy, I love your saying in your auto signature. That is hilarious. harharhar

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    I followed suit and, did my part!

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    It is my understanding that congress has the power to fire/impeach any official including cabnit members. Do not know if it takes both houses. Maybe if Congress would threaten to impeach the Attorney General, The Justice dept might honor the subpeonas. Or the house could cut off funds for the Justice Dept including the Attorney Generals pay check

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    June 17, 2011

    GOA Update

    Gun Owners of America

    Time to Close Down the ATF

    Friday, 17 June 2011 16:17

    This week, Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA) beamed a spotlight on the criminal behavior of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, commonly referred to as the ATF. At Wednesday’s hearing, Issa took on Assistant Attorney General Ronald Weich by asking him: “Who authorized this program that was so felony stupid it got people killed.”

    Chairman Issa started off the interrogation of Weich by holding up one of the pages that the ATF had provided his committee. It was completely blackened, one of hundreds that had been totally redacted by the agency. (See the accompanying picture.) Issa told Weich that this was unacceptable and that he was tired of the lack of cooperation at the Department of Justice.

    Issa also caught Weich in a lie by pointing to a letter in which he denied any knowledge of Fast and Furious, when we now know that Weich did know about the program. Weich said that the letter had been written by a committee and that he did not know who had written that particular sentence. He refused to commit, however, to finding out who authored that lie and reporting back to Issa about it!

    ATF’s lies exposed

    The subject of the hearing was Operation Gunrunner, which had been repackaged in October of 2009 as Fast and Furious. What had been a fairly routine sting operation to make an arrest at the time of an illegal firearms sale became a way of letting guns go unmonitored with criminals into Mexico, as well as in the U.S.

    Some 2,500 guns have turned up in Mexico from Fast and Furious, and some 150 people have been murdered by criminals using these arms. Two of the deceased were U.S. federal agents.

    Officially, the plan was to run a super sting operation to bring down a cartel or two. On its face, this is a lie, because the ATF refused to work with Mexican authorities. The ATF frequently lost track of the firearms after they moved south of the border, and once the guns were not under surveillance, there was no longer a chain of evidence.

    Moreover, U.S. agents need permission to enter Mexico. Failure to do so could result in a year in jail -- even for ATF agents who, by the way, are not allowed to have guns in Mexico. ICE agent Jaime Zapata was assigned to Mexico and was prohibited from carrying a gun. While disarmed, he was murdered during an ambush by cartel members who used one of the “Fast and Furious” guns.

    In a March 2010 internal memo that was later made public, the ATF trumpeted the violence that was occurring on both sides of the border -- violence that was, in part, being fueled by Fast and Furious. Issa’s hearing revealed that Acting Director Kenneth Melson would expectantly watch a “live feed” of firearms sales being made at a cooperating gun store.

    It’s like spending the day at the movies, opined Mike Vanderboegh of Sipsey Street Irregulars. “Hey, get me some more popcorn,” he said.

    Democrats continue plugging for more gun control

    News reports have disclosed that many gun stores in the Southwest had suspicions about buyers that were not flagged by the Instant Check. But these gun dealers were told to go ahead and let the sales take place.

    So, what did Democrats do in the face of this damning evidence? They wanted to discuss the need for more gun restrictions.

    Sen. Diane Feinstein (D-CA) said Congress needed to pass more gun control because, if one massages the numbers just right (and ignores a whole bunch of others), why, 70% of guns used in Mexican crime supposedly come from the U.S. At least that’s what a brand new report from the ATF claims.

    But Issa would have none of that, and he kept the committee focused on all the guns the ATF is helping send to Mexico.

    ATF has a long history of death and destruction. Waco was never adequately addressed at the time. Indeed, ATF got a bigger budget the next year. Innocent people such as David Olofson were convicted with perjured testimony. The Bureau has never published a manual detailing how they determine what is, or is not, a machine gun.

    We have to thank the agents who had the courage and integrity to blow the whistle on the corruption being fostered by their superiors. But this is only the tip of the iceberg. The Constitution allows no room for gun control, which is why this agency needs to be done away with and the managers of Fast and Furious (and those who signed off on it in the upper echelons of the Justice Department) need to go to jail.

    Read More At:
    Time to Close Down the ATF - Gun Owners Of America

    "The people never give up their liberties, but under some delusion." - Edmund Burke

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    I'm not sure if abolishing the BATFE is the correct reaction to the misguided decisions that led to the debacles known as "Operation Gunrunner" and "Operation Fast and Furious". I have a few friends that are BATFE special agents. They are professionals that work hard to legally enforce Federal laws regarding the illegal distribution and sales of alcohol, tobacco, firearms and explosives. They are supporters of the Second Amendment and the right of law abiding citizens to keep and bear arms. Some of the key decision makers at BATFE Headquarters and the U.S. Attorney General's office are another matter. Many are incomptent political appointees that have never served as field agents.

    Yesterday, I posted a report by three ultra liberal U.S. Senators on their recommendation to "Halting U.S. Firearms Traffic Into Mexico". Anyone rational that has studied this topic knows that their recommendations will only serve to inconvenience law abiding citizens and gun dealers and WILL NOT reduce the flow of firearms into the hands of Mexican drug trafficking organizations. It's clear to me that liberals in Congress, the Attorney General's office and White House would like to use the crisis at the Southern border and in Mexico as a reason to increase the regulation of firearms by law abiding Amerricans.

    The following link from the NRA provides insight on The congressional hearings held this week by the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform revealed that the gun smuggling investigation known as “Fast and Furious” that was implemented out of the Phoenix Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE) office was conducted in a reckless manner that led to the illegal sale of thousands of firearms. Many of those firearms ended up in the hands of Mexican drug cartels and other criminals, and may have contributed to the death of Border Patrol agent Brian Terry.

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    Everything the BATFE has ever done in its entire history is in direct contradiction to the "Unabridged Second Amendment" ...

    Project Gun Runner AKA: Fast & Furious is the straw that broke the camels back...

    Constitutional Republic 101: Your Rights Do Not Come From Government:

    "The people never give up their liberties, but under some delusion." - Edmund Burke

  10. holder and ''o'' knew about this,this will make ''watergate'' look like a walk in the park

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmaxx3500 View Post
    holder and ''o'' knew about this,this will make ''watergate'' look like a walk in the park

    Obama has already attempted to distance/protect himself from impeachment by throwing his beloved anti-gunner appointee Eric Holder under the bus by denying he had any knowledge of this operation whatsoever...

    "The people never give up their liberties, but under some delusion." - Edmund Burke

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