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    Waht does "shall not be questioned" mean?

    Should the impasse in Congress prove unbreakable for raising the debt ceiling, some legal scholars say Obama still has a constitutional escape hatch at his disposal, although he has expressed reluctance to resort to it.

    He could bypass lawmakers and invoke a little-known clause of the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, which states that the United States' public debt "shall not be questioned."
    Amid dueling debt plans, Obama to address nation

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    Shall not be questioned. Hitler, Castro, Pol Pot, Hugo Chavez ALL have said that should not be questioned. Hell, after a little car mishap, Teddy Boy didn't want to be questioned either.
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    Political suicide... Let him try it... Mappow is onto something there...
    You can give peace a chance alright..

    I'll seek cover in case it goes badly..

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    Quote Originally Posted by mappow View Post
    Shall not be questioned. Hitler, Castro, Pol Pot, Hugo Chavez ALL have said that should not be questioned. Hell, after a little car mishap, Teddy Boy didn't want to be questioned either.
    Don't forget those Christian dictators on the Iberian peninsula, Franco and Salazar.

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    I dunno. I read it and it sounds like the opposite of the intention--that US debt is valid, not simply erasable. But I'm no Constitutional scholar.

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    Actually Obama's only allowed to allocate previously approved (by the House / Congress) funding. He is not, by any constitutional device, able to raise the debt ceiling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G50AE View Post
    Don't forget those Christian dictators on the Iberian peninsula, Franco and Salazar.
    Yep, lets throw Jim Jones in there as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G50AE View Post
    Don't forget those Christian dictators on the Iberian peninsula, Franco and Salazar.
    Oh, christian bashing... Hummm... Just like old times... Ghosts in the machine...
    You can give peace a chance alright..

    I'll seek cover in case it goes badly..

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottMac View Post
    Actually Obama's only allowed to allocate previously approved (by the House / Congress) funding. He is not, by any constitutional device, able to raise the debt ceiling.
    Some of your fellow legal scholars disagree with you (you are a legal scholar aren't you?):


    Eric Posner, a law professor the University of Chicago, and Adrian Vermeule, a law professor at Harvard, co-authored a New York Times op-ed that reached back to another difficult economic moment, the Great Depression.

    In his inaugural address of 1933, President Franklin Roosevelt said, "It may be that an unprecedented demand and need for undelayed action may call for temporary departure from that normal balance of public procedure."
    Posner and Vermeule wrote that, in the current case, "the president would derive authority from his paramount duty to ward off serious threats to the constitutional and economic system."

    Other presidents have also decided to go it alone when faced with with a potential crisis.

    Harry Truman, faced with a potential steel workers strike in 1952, ordered a government seizure of the steel mills, saying a strike created risks for U.S. troops then fighting in Korea.
    Obama could cite 14th Amendment powers to tackle debt limit

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    FDR had a bad habit of playing loosely with the Constitution at times. (Like a certain current Oval Office dweller I could name.)

    Besides, it only states "shall not be questioned"..... don't say squat about paying them! LOL!

    I could also mean that if Joe the Congresscritter uses taxpayer money to bet on the Lakers and loses.... if he tells OBM to pay xxx kilobucks to Willie the Bookie... it "shall not be questioned?" LOL!

    Kind of like ".... shall not be infringed upon." As soon as one states something that seems set in concrete, there are ever so many Lawyers who are willing to make their "name" by coming up with an exception to the "rule".

    With a pet "Holder" at the reins of the Justice Dept., if Obama thought he could get away with a 14th Ammendment "play", he would do it. But, there are a number of citizens who are (finally) beginning to look askance at his free and easy disdain for the Constitution he is sworn to uphold.

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