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  1. #21
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    St. Louis County, MO
    I like the fact that he shoots cayotes while jogging...Can you imagine how many more cayotes in Congress and Senate he will shoot down when he becomes POTUS? Ha!
    "Don't let the door hit ya where the dawg shudda bit ya!"
    G'day and Glock

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    I feel compelled to rebut Post #7's accusations a bit. Sorry because this might be a rather lengthy post.

    #1 Rick Perry is a "big government" politician. When Rick Perry became the governor of Texas in 2000, the total spending by the Texas state government was approximately $49 billion. Ten years later it was approximately $90 billion. That is not exactly reducing the size of government.

    So: Which state's governor has actually presided over a reduction in the size of government?
    As much as we all would like to see government shrink, no state has reduced spending from year to year. In fact, the average increase in per-capita state spending from 1987-2007 was 306 percent.
    Much of this growth is Medicaid-driven. Further, Texas is a growing state, adding three U.S. Congressional seats with the latest census. Although there are always opportunities to limit state spending, basic services such as education simply must grow with population.
    Because Texas is a balanced-budget state, one good measure of its spending is the total tax burden per capita.
    In that, Texas ranks best of all 50 states. Even while keeping the tax burden lowest of all states, Texas managed to salt away more than $9 billion in the state's "Rainy Day" fund.
    Most governors have limited control over state spending. Given his constitutional constraints, how has Rick Perry measured up?
    In the 2011 regular legislative session, Gov. Perry refused to go along with lawmakers' desire to tap the Rainy Day fund. When the regular session ended and the legislature had failed to pass a budget, Gov. Perry held his ground in thesubsequent, 30-day special session until legislators put forth more than $800 million in spending reductions.
    So, in the worst economy in 30 years, Texas still balanced its budget without a tax increase.
    Gov. Perry's hard line on behalf of taxpayers (and against legislators' tendency to spend every dollar) made this possible.

    #2 The debt of the state of Texas is out of control. According to usdebtclock.org, the debt to GDP ratio in Texas is 22.9% and the debt per citizen is $10,645. In California (a total financial basket case), the debt to GDP ratio is just 18.7% and the debt per citizen is only $9932. If Rick Perry runs for president these are numbers he will want to keep well hidden.

    Gov. Perry has more accurate numbers in his state's favor. The Tax Foundation,
    which is technically nonpartisan but a favorite of conservatives for its hard
    line against tax increases, ranks Texas 49th in state debt per capita and as a percentage of state GDP.
    It’s useful to note that California is a “basket case” precisely because of overspending while
    its population shrinks and businesses flee to other states. Texas can hardly be called a basket case, and increased spending and debt can mostly be attributed to keeping up with the demands of state growth, such as highways, education, and other services.

    #3 The total debt of the Texas government has more than doubled since Rick Perry became governor. So what would the U.S. national debt look like after four (or eight) years of Rick Perry?

    Like the spending-growth accusation, this one must be put in the context of all
    states. According to MainStreet.com's report, "The Most Debt-Ridden States
    in America," Texas ranks as the 3rd Least Debt-Ridden State

    #4 Rick Perry has spearheaded the effort to lease roads in Texas to foreign companies, to turn roads that are already free to drive on into toll roads, and to develop the Trans-Texas Corridor which would be part of the planned NAFTA superhighway system. If you really do deep research on this whole Trans-Texas Corridor nonsense you will see why no American should ever cast a single vote for Rick Perry.

    This doesn't really add up to a criticism that can be rebutted. In general, references to "foreign companies" smack of xenophobia; our economy (including American icons such as Wal-Mart) would fail immediately without international trade and investment.
    As for "free" roads, there is no such thing. Taxes or tolls pay for road-building and maintenance. The only question is, "Who pays?"
    Texas has an excellent record in this. Users of our first major toll highway, IH-30
    between Dallas and Fort Worth, paid it off well ahead of schedule, and IH-30 is
    now a non-toll road. The enormous cost of urban land acquisition was borne only
    by those who needed to use the road first. Now everyone traveling that route
    reaps the benefits.
    Texas is the second-largest state in the union by land mass, and its growing,
    major cities are situated hundreds of miles apart. It will always have
    transportation issues unlike any other state's, and these will require creative
    Toll roads and the Trans-Texas Corridor idea certainly have been controversial.
    On the other hand, Texans have paid the same motor-fuel tax (20 cents/gallon)
    since 1991, and a very low vehicle-registration fee (about $60 annually) for
    decades. There is no other road-use tax levied on noncommercial vehicles. How
    can the governor be faulted for exploring all options for meeting the state's
    transportation needs without raising those fees?
    Ultimately, Gov. Perry signed the bill killing the Trans-Texas Corridor. How many politicians are willing to let reality knock down a grand idea they have supported? We could use more humility like that in our officials.
    Finally, the invitation to "deep research" cannot mean simply Googling the web for the
    thousands of ill-informed opinions posted by anonymous, partisan, and
    financially interested parties. We have legislatures and public meetings for
    getting to the bottom of hotly contested issues.

    #5 Rick Perry claims that he has a "track record" of not raising taxes. That is a false claim. Rick Perry has repeatedly raised taxes and fees while he has been governor. Today, Texans are faced with significantly higher taxes and fees than they were before Rick Perry was elected.

    The Texas governor has no authority to raise taxes or fees. Only the state
    legislature can do that, with the governor's consent or though an override of
    his veto. Without a source or even a specific tax cited, this accusation sounds
    rather wild.
    On Texas' recent record, the Tax Foundation does not agree with your assessment. Texas ranks 45th of 50 states by State-Local Tax Burden per capita. Its rank when Perry assumed the governorship? Also 45th.
    The governor can, as noted above, threaten to veto the state budget (or use the line-item veto) in order to check the legislature on its spending. Within his constitutional powers, Gov. Perry has has very effectively toed the taxpayers' line on taxes and spending.

    #6 Even with the oil boom in Texas, 23 states have a lower unemployment rate than Texas does.

    That makes Texas … average. Why is that a reason not to vote for Rick Perry? Furthermore, consider that a state's unemployment rate can look better or worse depending on how many of its workers hold "recession proof" government jobs. Bigger government, fewer layoffs, lower overall unemployment. It is no wonder
    many of the blue states have weathered this recession better.
    Texas' government is small compared to other states', so by rights, its unemployment picture should be relatively worse. In reality, Texas is actually doing quite well, with its unemployment rate square in the middle of all states. Nobody has reason to cheer in this economy. Yet, Texas leads the nation in job
    creation, nearly ten times the pace of its nearest rival. Companies are moving to Texas at a record pace. Gov. Perry understands first-hand the value of a positive business climate.

    #7 Back in 1988, Rick Perry supported Al Gore for president. In fact, Rick Perry actually served as Al Gore's campaign chairman in the state of Texas that year.

    In 1988, Sen. Al Gore ran for president as a Southern, relatively conservative, pro-life Democrat. (We need more of those in Democrat-controlled districts and states to help conservatives win close-call votes in our legislatures.) As Vice President Gore demonstrates today, people change. Parties change, too. (Ultimately, Sen. Gore lost the nomination to Gov. Michael Dukakis, whom Perry did not support.)
    Let us remember that Ronald Reagan was a Democrat for decades — and a union president, no less! Former U.S. Sen. Zell Miller, a lifelong Democrat, gave a keynote speech at the 2004 Republican National Convention that had delegates cheering on their feet. These men were conservatives, abandoned by their party.
    So it has been in Texas. The term "conservative Democrat" lived much longer here than in most other places. Like many southern states, Texas took more than 100 years to elect its first post-Reconstruction Republican governor. Its legislature remained in Democrat hands until 2003.
    Party labels matter, but what matters more is a candidate's conservatism. No one has ever called Gov. Perry a "liberal" because it doesn't jibe with his record.

    #8 Between December 2007 and April 2011, weekly wages in the U.S. increased by about 5 percent. In the state of Texas they increased by just 0.6% over that same time period.

    With no source cited, it is very difficult to discern what this statistic is supposed to tell us.
    For example, if most of those wage gains were eaten up by progressive state income-tax rates (as many of us remember from the 1970s, with its inflation-driven "bracket creep"), then Texans may have fared quite well — by paying no state income tax.Another possible interpretation is that Texas’ population is growing at a pace that dilutes wage gains. More people seeking work here, more downward pressure on average wages. That they are finding work is the saving grace of that possible explanation.
    Further, and more to the point, how did this abstruse comparison become one of "14 reasons why Rick Perry would be a really, really bad president"?

    #9 Texas now has one of the worst education systems in the nation. The following is from an opinion piece that was actually authored by Barbara Bush earlier this year....

    First, with all due respect for the former First Lady and her efforts to expand literacy in America, part of her article was predicated on the false choice between (on the one hand) spending all that administrators want to spend, and (on the other) cutting the number of teachers, increasing class sizes, eliminating scholarships for underprivileged students, and closing several community colleges. None of these measures were on the table this year; rather, they're the sort of bugaboos raised by the government-education complex every time the electorate looks hard at its ever-increasing budgets.
    Second, since when have fiscal conservatives ever believed that high teacher salaries make an education system better? That actually sounds more like a union talking point.
    Third, conservatives like me would like to see a reduced federal role in public education. Gov. Perry's
    support for home schooling in Texas suggests that he understands that education is — first and foremost — the responsibility of parents. Education can be delegated by parents to private or public entities, but
    ultimately it is up to those same parents to ensure they are getting the service they've contracted for.
    As for the state's record, Texas is among the top states for "Best Public Schools in the Country,"
    according to Newsweek.
    Ultimately, government schools' performance isn't an accurate measure of a governor's performance. Not least because the Texas State Board of Education is elected by the people, not appointed. Most school districts are administered locally.
    Cherry-picking statistics without controlling for demographics or other
    important factors also tells us little.

    #10 Rick Perry attended the Bilderberg Group meetings in 2007. Associating himself with that organization should be a red flag for all American voters.

    Substituting "conspiracy theorists" for "voters"
    makes that
    statement correct

    #11 Texas has the highest percentage of workers making minimum wage out of all 50 states.

    The statists at Think Progress have made this their leading critique of Gov. Perry, aided and abetted by the leftists who control Austin's only newspaper. It is curious that those who reflexively defend
    the minimum wage also decry its actual use.
    But the critique does not include any analysis to help readers understand the statistic. Nor does it acknowledge that when comparing 50 states, all of them can't be average.
    Is "no jobs" better than "some jobs"? Would Gov. Perry's detractors prefer that minimum-wage employees have make-work government jobs that pay more than minimum wage? Or would they rather have workers unemployed and dependent on welfare?

    #12 Rick Perry often gives speeches about illegal immigration, but when you look at the facts, he has been incredibly soft on the issue. If Rick Perry does not plan to secure the border, then he should not be president because illegal immigration is absolutely devastating many areas of the southwest United States.

    To say, "Look at the facts," then cite no facts, invites us to see what we want to see.
    No one doubts the seriousness of the illegal immigration problem. We feel it acutely in Texas. Patience is running thin here. Everyone wants someone, anyone, in a position of power to "do something."
    These desires sometimes run up against very real limits on state power. Everyone is waiting for the outcome of Arizona's bold test. If the Supreme Court eventually rules against the federal government, we can expect other states (including Texas) to follow suit.

    In reality, there isn't much that individual states or their governors can do to "secure the border." That's within federal jurisdiction.
    But states can act within their 10th Amendment rights to protect their citizens from harmful consequences of illegal immigration. Here are the most recent immigration-related bills signed into law by Gov. Rick Perry:
    SB 1 (82-1), Verifying Citizenship of Applicants for Drivers Licenses. Provisions added to Senate Bill 1 in the Special Session codify portions of a Texas Public Safety Commission rule requiring applicants for new, renewal, or duplicate licenses to prove either U.S. citizenship or legal immigration. SB 1 also links the expiration of legal immigrants' drivers’ licenses, provisional licenses, or occupational licenses to the date of the expiration of their legal immigration status. These changes are particularly important not only because they will help ensure that non-citizens are prevented from voting (especially in light of the passage of SB 14, the voter photo ID bill), but they will also prevent illegal immigrants from obtaining drivers licenses, and assist the work of law enforcement officers and border security officials, who will be able to ascertain the immigration status of anyone they detain.
    SB 1009, Notification of Foreign Students Leaving a Course of Study. This helps ensure that federal immigration authorities are informed whenever a foreign student leaves a course of study at a public institution of higher education in Texas. In many cases, enrollment in such a course is the basis on which a
    foreign student was legally admitted to the United States. It is vital, therefore, that ICE be made aware whenever a foreign student leaves a course as this may invalidate his residency in the United States.
    Gov. Perry also added an initiative to this year's special legislative session which would have withheld state funds from "sanctuary cities," wherein local, leftist politicians have openly rebelled against state and federal immigration laws. The legislature's two houses failed to agree on a final bill. Gov. Perry
    took significant political risk by endorsing this measure.

    Here in Texas, there has been no groundswell of dissatisfaction with Gov. Perry's position on illegal immigration. Indeed, conservatives everywhere need to be on guard against Democrat-led efforts to split the party with this issue. They have done so successfully many times in the past, conveniently raising
    immigration concerns just before elections only to stymie real efforts to address them. The political left always wins at this game, and America always loses.

    #13 In 2007, 221,000 residents of Texas were making minimum wage or less. By 2010, that number had risen to 550,000.

    Again, what is the significance of this, and what is the source?

    #14 Rick Perry actually issued an executive order in 2007 that would have forced almost every single girl in the state of Texas to receive the Gardasil vaccine before entering the sixth grade. Perry would have put parents in a position where they would have had to fill out an application and beg the government not to inject their child with a highly controversial vaccine. Since then, very serious safety issues regarding this vaccine have come to light. Fortunately, lawmakers in Texas blocked what Perry was trying to do. According to Wikipedia, many were troubled when "apparent financial connections between Merck and Perry were reported by news outlets, such as a $6,000 campaign contribution and Merck's hiring of former Perry Chief of Staff Mike Toomey to handle its Texas lobbying work."

    In this case, it could be argued that Gov. Perry did the wrong thing for the right reason. Cervical cancer killed more than 4,000 American women last year, many at a relatively young age. Gardasil was, in fact, tested and proven effective before the FDA prior to its release on the market.The people of Texas had reason to resist Gov. Perry’s choice of action, and, through their legislators, they rebuked him. The executive order is now moot.
    Some of the nation's greatest conservative leaders have said and done things that confounded their supporters. Barry Goldwater came out in favor of abortion. Phil Gramm voted to establish the Department of Education. President Reagan, an avowed advocate of federalism, signed a bill threatening to withhold highway
    funds from states unless they changed their drinking age to a federal standard. No officeholder has made the "right" call every single time.The question for conservatives is, "Has the candidate established a strong record of conservatism in votes, deeds, and words?" The answer, in Rick Perry's case, is "Yes."
    "When war does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard."
    Gen. Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson

  4. #23
    JSDinTexas Guest
    Until my retirement less than a year ago, I was closely associated with state government in Texas. I consider Gov Perry to be the best candidate, and eventually to be the best president of the existing field of candidates of either party.

    I did not say he was perfect, but I do trust him to do the best he can for this country, and I believe he has the intelligence to do so.

  5. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by BeauRyker View Post
    That quote isn't from me. It's from that other jackass.
    Sorry, my mistake. I've corrected it.

  6. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by BeauRyker View Post
    Oh, did I? Show me where I posted it. You seem to be referring to post #7. Who does it say posted post #7? Does it say BeauRyker posted post #7?

    I see why you're a RETIRED research engineer.
    I've corrected it, and it's good to know that you've never made a mistake in your life.

  7. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by CharlieK View Post
    I've corrected it, and it's good to know that you've never made a mistake in your life.
    Aw Charlie...from one jackass to another, I forgive you.
    "When war does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard."
    Gen. Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson

  8. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by BeauRyker View Post
    Aw Charlie...from one jackass to another, I forgive you.
    And from one displaced Texan to a another Texan, I feel good about that.

  9. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by CharlieK View Post
    And from one displaced Texan to a another Texan, I feel good about that.
    We miss ya! You need to come back. And bring some friends with ya.
    "When war does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard."
    Gen. Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson

  10. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by BeauRyker View Post
    We miss ya! You need to come back. And bring some friends with ya.
    Not on your life. When I lived there I thought that's the way summers were, until I moved to Albuquerque 48 years ago.

  11. #30
    How 'bout Texas secedes and you can have him as president (or king) there?

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