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    Very well said, Gunny. It may come as a surprise to some how few of us are interested in the cesspool known as Washington, and the corruption that it fosters. Other than the current socialist agenda (regime?), telling us how the money we earn will go to a place we feel it should not, or threatening another "plan", we do not care. The current administration wants what every first term wants: a second term. The second term is when the real damage occurs. I despise politics. I refuse to watch the news, other than local. So biased. I smile when I hear the term "liberal". Liberal means free, literally. Politically it means that you will be disarmed, not allowed to hunt, and be forced to contribute part of your earnings to a cause that you totally disagree with. "REPUBLICANS!!!!! WE WORK HARD, SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO!!!!!!!!!!!
    Say when.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed Hurtley View Post
    No, leave it. To me, that's a big problem with this country, people who WANT to actually discuss things, and be "moderate", are just shouted down by the extremes.

    I sincerely doubt that a true majority of the population is "conservative" or "liberal" (note; I mean that a total of 50%+1 consider themselves on EITHER extreme.) The vast majority of the country is either moderate, or just doesn't care about politics. But because the extremists (on both sides) are the ones who speak up, and run for office, and are the voting 'base' of both parties, that's what we end up with in the public sphere. We end up with extremism on both sides.

    Non-extremists shouldn't stay quiet. Otherwise, we let the extremists not just dictate what happens, but also continue to cause giant arguments over relatively little. (Do you honestly believe that most Americans give a rats' ass about private vs. public healthcare? Or do you think they want "healthcare" to be readily accessible and affordable, and don't care how that happens... But, talking heads spout off vehement opinions one way or another, demonizing the opposition. "If the government gets involved, it's communism, and communism is EVIL!" "Corporations are evil profit-driven monsters! Letting corporations do whatever they want with healathcare is why we suck!" Neither is the truth, both are misleading, and most Americans don't care that much.)
    And that is your opinion... Not factual, just your opinion/theory... You are entitled to have it and orate it or document it as you have done... Others are allowed to agree with it, adopt it as their own, or dismiss it and formulate their own. Perhaps even expand on the original a bit...

    And because this is America the extremists have a say also. Extremist in who's eyes? by what degree extreme say you? More importantly; Who are the extremists? Identifying them as such is a tedious task...

    Freedom and personal liberty (along with the furthering of Christianity/religion and capitalism I'll stipulate those) were the basis and foundations for this nation. Personal liberty is paramount... Forcing citizens to buy a product (Obamacare for instance) that they do not wish to purchase especially under duress, is not regulating commerce, It's akin to The Navigational Acts... Increasing the peoples dependency on the government and controlling the individuals decision making process which defeats the premise of personal liberty and freedom along with free commerce...

    Choosing to be moderate is your choice and again you are free to make it. Forcing everyone to be moderate for the sake of pleasant conversation, avoiding a heated debate, or as a prelude to a compromise is a novel concept... See if it can be implemented... I came across this quote and feel it is quite fitting for the state of current political discourse..

    "If there is no struggle there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom and yet depreciate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder & lightning." -- Fredrick Douglas

    In the process of trying to make everyone happy someone will end up being unhappy. It is human nature... I'd prefer free, that would make me happy...

    "That is the theory that I have, and which is mine, and what it is too." --Anne Elk
    You can give peace a chance alright..

    I'll seek cover in case it goes badly..

  4. Quote Originally Posted by 6shootercarry View Post
    Choosing to be moderate is your choice and again you are free to make it. Forcing everyone to be moderate for the sake of pleasant conversation, avoiding a heated debate, or as a prelude to a compromise is a novel concept... See if it can be implemented...
    What's funny is that my point had been that being moderate is the compromise between the extremes. Of *NOT* forcing others to your view, but meeting in the middle.

    But now that you write it that way, I suppose 'moderation' is itself just another 'extreme'. And it basically is asking others to come to your point of view when they wouldn't. I never thought about it that way before.

    (Anyway, I'm not really 'moderate' in anything; I'm 'liberal' in some things, 'conservative' in others, and generally disinterested in the rest. I'd be "libertarian", only the Libertarian party has screwed up that word too much.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed Hurtley View Post
    What's funny is that my point had been that being moderate is the compromise between the extremes. Of *NOT* forcing others to your view, but meeting in the middle.

    But now that you write it that way, I suppose 'moderation' is itself just another 'extreme'. And it basically is asking others to come to your point of view when they wouldn't. I never thought about it that way before.

    (Anyway, I'm not really 'moderate' in anything; I'm 'liberal' in some things, 'conservative' in others, and generally disinterested in the rest. I'd be "libertarian", only the Libertarian party has screwed up that word too much.)
    Very well articulated... I've never been fond of compromise when it comes to principles and above all freedom & liberty..

    I once wore a miniskirt to school to make a point regarding a "proper attire for young men" policy... There were some inequalities present in the policy and I made the policy authors aware of them, and caused the policy to be amended. The result was to my liking so I went back to "proper attire for young men"..

    I took loads of s_hite for my method, but was thanked for the results...

    Both "sides" are to blame... Both sides are comprised of people... People (some) are inherently meddlesome, intrusive, and sometimes downright dictatorial... Human nature...
    You can give peace a chance alright..

    I'll seek cover in case it goes badly..

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6shootercarry View Post

    I once wore a miniskirt to school to make a point regarding a "proper attire for young men" policy... There were some inequalities present in the policy and I made the policy authors aware of them, and caused the policy to be amended. The result was to my liking so I went back to "proper attire for young men"..

    TOO MUCH INFORMTION!
    "When war does come, my advice is to draw the sword and throw away the scabbard."
    Gen. Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeauRyker View Post
    TOO MUCH INFORMTION!
    Oh geeze did I say all that? Gotta blame the teleprompter for that...
    You can give peace a chance alright..

    I'll seek cover in case it goes badly..

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    Red, White, and Blue and DAR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed Hurtley View Post
    No, leave it. To me, that's a big problem with this country, people who WANT to actually discuss things, and be "moderate", are just shouted down by the extremes.

    I sincerely doubt that a true majority of the population is "conservative" or "liberal" (note; I mean that a total of 50%+1 consider themselves on EITHER extreme.) The vast majority of the country is either moderate, or just doesn't care about politics. But because the extremists (on both sides) are the ones who speak up, and run for office, and are the voting 'base' of both parties, that's what we end up with in the public sphere. We end up with extremism on both sides.

    Non-extremists shouldn't stay quiet. Otherwise, we let the extremists not just dictate what happens, but also continue to cause giant arguments over relatively little. (Do you honestly believe that most Americans give a rats' ass about private vs. public healthcare? Or do you think they want "healthcare" to be readily accessible and affordable, and don't care how that happens... But, talking heads spout off vehement opinions one way or another, demonizing the opposition. "If the government gets involved, it's communism, and communism is EVIL!" "Corporations are evil profit-driven monsters! Letting corporations do whatever they want with healathcare is why we suck!" Neither is the truth, both are misleading, and most Americans don't care that much.)
    All Libs think they are moderate for some reason. They frame their responses to appear neutral and in the middle, but if their comments are closely studied it shows their true colors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeauRyker View Post
    TOO MUCH INFORMTION!
    Kilt!! it was a Kilt! Tartan plaid... Wow funny how the memory works...
    You can give peace a chance alright..

    I'll seek cover in case it goes badly..

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6shootercarry View Post
    Very well articulated... I've never been fond of compromise when it comes to principles and above all freedom & liberty..

    I once wore a miniskirt to school to make a point regarding a "proper attire for young men" policy... There were some inequalities present in the policy and I made the policy authors aware of them, and caused the policy to be amended. The result was to my liking so I went back to "proper attire for young men"..

    I took loads of s_hite for my method, but was thanked for the results...

    Both "sides" are to blame... Both sides are comprised of people... People (some) are inherently meddlesome, intrusive, and sometimes downright dictatorial... Human nature...
    You totally just moved up on my forum "like" scale.

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