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    If you read my previous post you will see that I believe the whole problem with GM and Chrysler was at the Marketing and Executive level. The bosses were arrogant and greedy, in short good Neo-Republicans. (I am an Independent voter, formerly Republican for 40+ years.) They blamed the unions and the workers for their own PPP (3 Ps, remember?) Executives bailing out with 100-300 million dollar "bonuses" and market executives envisioning a "Golden Quarter" where they made all of the stockholders millionaires destroyed these two companies.

    Ford is more of a global concern with a long range growth plan and it survived on its own merits. When I buy another car it will probably be a Ford, they have their heads screwed on right.

    BTW I started out as an Apprentice draftsman at Kaiser-Willys in Toledo while still in High School. I ended up joining the Marine Corps and staying career Marine but I was a very proud Auto Worker and have fond memories of my fellow workers, they were good people.

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    C'mon, gotta love that F250!
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    While I have no love for gm or chrysler anymore, ford does not have completely clean hands:
    Ford, BMW, Toyota Took Secret Government Money
    George Washington: “They may pass a law to issue paper money, but 20 laws will not make the people receive it. Paper money is founded upon fraud and knavery.”

  5. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by BC1 View Post
    C'mon, gotta love that F250!
    I do but the main point was the marketing of vehicles that average family could actually afford. I still feel that FORD led the U.S. makers in still appealing to and servicing this market. And part of this was helped by the Fed loaning them money to prop up their credit for consumers. The recession was caused by the Market collapse in mortgages anmortgagege based paper sold to investors. The auto industry did have to find money for credit as the banks simply did not have it to lend for autos. FORD got the most credit assist as it had the most people applying for credit to buy their cars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reb55 View Post
    Same here. I will add Chrysler to that list. I would jump at a good deal on a Ranger 4x4. Otherwise I will stick with US made, Japanese brands.
    Chrysler has a very dirty story too...This is long but I hope you will all read this...

    This could be a scandal of epic proportions and one that makes Nixon's Watergate orClinton 's Monica Lewinsky affair pale bycomparison.

    Why was there neither rhyme nor reason as to which dealerships of the Chrysler Corporation were to be closed?

    Roll the clock back to the weeks just before Chrysler declared bankruptcy. Chrysler, like GM, was in dire financial straits and federal government "graciously" offered to "buy the company" and keep them out of bankruptcy and "save jobs."

    Chrysler was, in the words of Obama and his administration, "Too big to fail," same story with GM.

    The feds organized their "Automotive Task Force" to fix Chrysler and GM. Obama, in an act that is 100% unconstitutional, appointed a guy named Steve Rattner to be the White House's official Car Czar - literally, that's what his title is. Rattner is the liaison between Obama, Chrysler, and GM. Initially, the national media reported that Chrysler 'had made this list of dealerships'. Not true!

    The Washington Examiner, Newsmax, Fox News and a host of other news agencies discovered that the list of dealerships was put together by the "Automotive Task Force" headed by no one other than Mr. Steve Rattner.

    Now the plot thickens.

    Remember earlier we said that there was neither rhyme nor reason why certain dealerships were closed?Actually there's a very interesting pattern as to who was closed down. Again, on May 27, 2009, The Washington Examiner and Newsmax exposed the connection.

    Amazingly, of the 789 dealerships closed by the federal government, 788 had donated money, exclusively to Republican political causes, while contributing nothing to Democratic political causes. The only "Democratic" dealership on the list was found to have donated $7,700 to Hillary's campaign, and a bit over $2,000 to John Edwards. This same dealership, reportedly, also gave $20000 to Obama's campaign.
    Does that seem a little odd to you?

    Steve Rattner is the guy who put the list together. Well, he happens to be married to a Maureen White. Maureen happens to be the former national finance chairman of the Democratic National Committee. As such, she has access to campaign donation records from everyone in the nation- Republican or Democrat. But of course, this is just a wacky "coincidence," we're certain. Then comes another really wacky "coincidence."

    On that list of dealerships being closed down, a weird thing happened in Arkansas , North Louisiana, and Southern Missouri . It seems that Bill Clinton's former White House Chief of Staff, Mack McClarty, owns a chain of dealership in that region, partnered with a fellow by the name of Robert Johnson.

    Johnson happens to be founder of Black Entertainment Television and was a huge Obama supporter and financier.

    These guys own a half dozen Chrysler stores under the company title of RLJ-McClarty-Landers. Interestingly, none of their dealerships were ordered closed - not one! While all of their competing Chrysler/Dodge and Jeep dealership were!

    Eight dealerships located near the dealerships owned by McClarty and Johnson were ordered shut down. Thus by pure luck, these two major Obama supporters now have virtual monopoly on Chrysler sales in their zone. Isn't thatamazing?

    Go look in The Washington Examiner, the story's there, and it's in a dozen or so other web-based news organizations; this isn't being made up.

    Now if you thought Chrysler was owned by Fiat, you are mistaken. Under the federal court ruling, 65% of Chrysler is now owned by the federal government and the UnitedAuto Workers union! Fiat owns 20%. The other 15% is still privately owned and presumably will be traded on the stock market.

    Obama smiles and says he doesn't want to run the auto industry.

    As horrifying as this is to comprehend, and being as how this used to be the United States of America , it would appear that the president has the power to destroy private businesses and eliminate upwards of 100,000 jobs just because they don't agree with his political agenda.

    There are voices in Washington demanding an explanation, but the "Automotive Task Force" has released no information to the public or toany of the senators demanding
    answers for what has been done.

    Keep your ear to the ground for more on this story. If you've ever wanted to make a difference about anything in your life, get on the phone to your national senator or representative in the House and demand an investigation into this.

    Benjamin Franklin had it right when he said, "All that's necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."

    Car Czar No More
    An amazing thing happened as this story was going to press. Obama's Car Czar, Steve Rattner, resigned on July 13 and was promptly replaced by former steel workers union boss Ron Bloom.

    According to CBSNews, Rattner left "to return to private life and spend time with his family."

    Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner said, "I hope that he takes another opportunity to bring his unique skills to government service in the future."

    By the way, Rattner is under investigation for a multi-million dollar pay-to-play investment bank scandal in New York .....Uh-oh!

    But, we're certain that had nothing to do with hisresignation. And, according to several news sources out there, there are rumors he's being investigated for what could be pay-to-play scandal involving the closing of Chrysler and GM dealerships. Really?Again, that couldn't have anything to with his resignation-that's ridiculous!

    Like CBS said, this guy just wants to "spend more quality time with his family."
    Obama has 32 personally appointed "czars" who answer to no one but him, all of whom are acting without any Constitutional authority. But hey, we're sure they all have "unique skills,"... as Tim Geithner likes to say!

    SOOOOO. HOWS THE CHANGE WORKING FOR YOU?..

    Check it out at the following websites.....
    Furor grows over partisan car dealer closings | Mark Tapscott | Beltway Confidential | Washington Examiner <Furor grows over partisan car dealer closings | Mark Tapscott | Beltway Confidential | Washington Examiner>
    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/po...-44414452.html>
    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/po...-44414452.html>
    This goes from beyond corruption in high places - to gross criminal actions on the part of our government!
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    Tucker's mom: Interesting and disturbing post. However, your last two links (they look the same) are dead ends.

    This sounds like more of the same corruption that marks the present administration.

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    [QUOTE=MIL-SPEC 45;230827]Wow!!!! You guys really hate the auto industry for getting bailed out??? And you focus your frustrations towards the works!!! Why???

    No, I don't hate anyone, but I really dislike bailing out someone who has been making twice the amount of money than most of us do, and have benefits better than we ever are going to see.
    Also if they don't have work available they can set in a room and get paid for doing nothing.

    By the way the bank I have my mortgage with didn't have a choice but to loan to those that they knew couldn't pay back their loans, and they were not allowed to use credit background checks and God forbid they ask for identification to prove the borrower was an American citizen.

    I for one like the old American ways.
    A days work for a days pay.
    20% down and a good credit record.
    If you can work, “No welfare” and Alcoholism, Drug Abuse, Over Weight and Laziness isn't a qualification.
    Welfare and Un-Employment is temporary, Not a way of life.
    Illegal Immigrants get Nothing except a one way ticket back home.
    “Every step we take towards making the State our Caretaker of our lives, by that much we move toward making the State our Master.” – Dwight D. Eisenhower

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    [QUOTE=Debray;231849]
    Quote Originally Posted by MIL-SPEC 45 View Post
    Wow!!!! You guys really hate the auto industry for getting bailed out??? And you focus your frustrations towards the works!!! Why???

    No, I don't hate anyone, but I really dislike bailing out someone who has been making twice the amount of money than most of us do, and have benefits better than we ever are going to see.
    Also if they don't have work available they can set in a room and get paid for doing nothing.

    By the way the bank I have my mortgage with didn't have a choice but to loan to those that they knew couldn't pay back their loans, and they were not allowed to use credit background checks and God forbid they ask for identification to prove the borrower was an American citizen.

    I for one like the old American ways.
    A days work for a days pay.
    20% down and a good credit record.
    If you can work, “No welfare” and Alcoholism, Drug Abuse, Over Weight and Laziness isn't a qualification.
    Welfare and Un-Employment is temporary, Not a way of life.
    Illegal Immigrants get Nothing except a one way ticket back home.
    Well said, mate...!!!!
    "Don't let the door hit ya where the dawg shudda bit ya!"
    G'day and Glock
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    FU AND EVERYONE THAT SAYS BUY AMERICAN OR OUR ECONOMY IS RUINED! SERIOUSLY when we went from an industrial economy to a credit economy that's when it started to not matter! I have owned domestic my whole life 10 to be exact and at 100000 miles they all started to fall apart, fall apart, FALL THE F#$K APART! I now own an Acura with 113000 miles and guess what when people and friends get in they think its brand F#$ckin new! So screw you and everybody else that believes this s#$t! When I pass you on the highway because ur POS domestic failed you again WAVE TO FINGER OUT THE WINDOW!

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