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    Quote Originally Posted by rlkraatz View Post
    You want to be careful using that word entitlements. I paid into Social Security all my life. 46 years as a Tool and Diemaker. I paid my social security payment wheter I wanted to or not. It was mandatory. My social security payments was paid in full by November each year. I am retired now and have social security to supplement my income and medical costs. I paid for that. I am entitled to it regardles of what you think.
    Yo! RL! I think you misunderstand the positon of the 99%ers in HERE. You EARNED your retirement and you are absolutely entiteled to that. I hope to soon collect on my payments also. I think the OP was saying that there are too many people in this great nation of ours that don't pay into the system and have become dependednt on the rest of use to provide a living for them. In that respect I agree with the OP. We are being over run by the "moocher class" of citizen.

    Where did you tool and die. I'm in a tangent business.

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    How true this is! couldnt have said it better

    this is very true

    Quote Originally Posted by Debray View Post
    We have become a Nation of Entitlements with many special interest groups that receive preferential treatment from our elected representatives.

    Some of these representatives lie to the American People and to Congress witch should be a felony but that is just politics.

    In our new social justice department if we disagree with a black man we are racist, but if a black man violates our voting rights, he is protected by the 1st. Amendment.

    The government spends millions to assure that criminals are comfortable and rehabilitated but do nothing to compensate the victims.

    In public schools you can teach about the Muslim Faith but you can’t say the word God or read from the Bible.

    We protest the execution of convicted murderers and try to eliminate the death penalty, but we condone the killing of millions of unborn innocent children.

    We no longer teach American History we now preach the Social Goodness of Government in our public schools.

    We have successfully removed the Communist and Socialist treat from our Nation, but have replaced it with Progressivism.

    We are unable to protect our boarders, but have no problem protecting the 38th parallel in South Korea.

    If you burn the flag or condemn George Bush it is your 1st. Amendment right, but if you condemn Barrack Obama you’re a “Racist” and a “Terrorist“.

    You can hang pornography in our public museums, but you had better not hang the Ten Commandment in Your Court House.

    We can use human fetus for medical experiments, but it is wrong to use animals.

    We take money from and punish those that work the hardest and hand it over to award those that work the least.

    We have freedom of speech as long as it is politically correct and the FCC hasn‘t taken control yet.

    Now when there is a major crisis the President, places the blame where it best fits his Socialist Agenda, asks for more money, hands it to his friends, shuts down as many Private Sector enterprises as possible, adds several hundred new regulations to stiffel business, appoints a committee to establish fault, and heads for the golf course.

    What a Country

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    Quote Originally Posted by G50AE View Post
    I don't see why greedy senior citizens should be more entitled to the money I earn than I am. I also get offended when people ask for a "senior citizen's" discount. There "discount" comes strait out of my paycheck every month in the form of the social security tax.
    Okay now. I'll go real slow so you can follow. If you have any questions, just raise your hand and I'll try to splain things better.

    Each working generation that is paying into the system has the government to thank for taking that mony and paying it forward to the generation that has worked all their lives and is now to the stage in their lives that they have earned the right to retire and enjoy the financial support that they afforded to the generation before them.

    In other words, it is a government perpetuated ponzi scheme and we are all forced into it whether we like it or not. The working class that reaches the age goal and hasn't been killed by their jobs have well earned the luxury of retirement.

    And like it or not, you too are part of the cycle. The problem is, the more moochers we have that are suckling off the teat of the government in the form of welfare are not contributing to but taking from the big pot of money so the funds are running down and down and down. Depending on how young you are there may not be anything left for you.

    If you don't like paying into a system that will eventually drain itself because of the government established moocher class and the diminishing working class, do something about it. Get the moochers off the welfare teat and have many children that will become contributors and not detractors.

    But we do want to thank you for your contribution to our next snorkling tip in the Keys!

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    While the Government High Poobahs (and wannabees) tend to lump it all into one construct, I prefer to refer to a certain separation of "earned entitlements" and "unearned entitlements".

    In fact, good old Webster's uses "earned" as a definition of "entitlement".

    It really IS the moochers that have drained our Nation's budget out of control. Unfortunately, once you come up with a free-bee give away program and you create a huge bureaucracy to support the disbursements.... any number of little piggies will try to come to the trough of plenty and the bureaucracy will applaud itself for becoming of great social use.... and expand!

    Not to be outdone, virtually every Government Department has it's fingers into some sort of "give away" program or another. (It certainly insures your Department's continued expansion of funding.)

    What we are seeing here is just a half century of Government Largesse snowballing to the point where we can no longer afford to drag the unproductive "tail" of our society along any further.

    GG
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    Well now, aren't WE a pair, Raggedy Man? (Thunderdome)

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    I sometimes wonder if the Government spreads these "give away" programs out deliberately so the average Joe Six Pack Taxpayer doesn't really get a full view of the entire enchelada (plethora) of "Bread and Circuses".

    GG
    Fanatics of any sort are dangerous! -GG-
    Which part of "... shall NOT be infringed..." confuses you?
    Well now, aren't WE a pair, Raggedy Man? (Thunderdome)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grognard Gunny View Post
    I sometimes wonder if the Government spreads these "give away" programs out deliberately so the average Joe Six Pack Taxpayer doesn't really get a full view of the entire enchelada (plethora) of "Bread and Circuses".
    GG
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    I say Vote “YES” on Issue 2 in Ohio

    Quote Originally Posted by CharlieK View Post
    Yes, and to buy votes so they can remain in power.
    In Ohio Gov. Kasich got Senate Bill 5 passed. Now all the Public sector unions have Issue 2 on the ballet to kill SB5.

    He has already turned our deficit around, but the Public sector unions are doing everything possible to kill the bill, which asks them to pay 15% of their own hospitalization, also pension, vacation, and sick time are no longer negotiable. Wages and any Safety issues are still negotiable along with merit pay for teachers, not just longevity and tenure pay increases.

    What is tenure?
    In general terms, tenure is a guaranteed job contract that is given to individuals who have over a period of between two and seven years, and have proved their skills.

    Those that are pro tenure say, “ the purpose of tenure is to give teachers the freedom to pursue research and teach as they see fit without concerns of a political nature.

    In other words they can teach the progressive crap to our kids and get away with it.

    So it is often very hard to remove a tenured teacher, as severe misconduct must be proven which is almost impossible in this Progressive environment.

    I think tenure over the past decade is one of the biggest problems facing education. Teachers argue that they have earned tenure and should be able to feel secure in their job so as to free them up to do a better job. “Ya Right”

    I say Vote “YES” on Issue 2 in Ohio
    “Every step we take towards making the State our Caretaker of our lives, by that much we move toward making the State our Master.” – Dwight D. Eisenhower

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    Quote Originally Posted by the dark View Post
    Actually it sounds like we have become a nation of self-centered whiners who think everyone else is the problem and no one deserves anything but us. When things get bad people need scapegoats and e pluribus unum becomes a foreign language.
    Without overstating the obvious TOO much, I might note (with tongue in cheek) that "e pluribus unum" IS a "foreign language"! (Mixed metaphores make for mangled meanings! LOL!)

    GG
    Fanatics of any sort are dangerous! -GG-
    Which part of "... shall NOT be infringed..." confuses you?
    Well now, aren't WE a pair, Raggedy Man? (Thunderdome)

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    As we can see from the efforts of individual States to straighten out their budgets, any efforts to do so meets with determined opposition from those who might have to tighten their belts a bit. Given that many States HAVE to have a balanced budget, by LAW, the legislators/Governers are caught between a rock and a hard place.

    Taken to the National level, we see exactly the same general response..... NOT MY ENTITLEMENTS, pay, benefits you don't!!!!!!! Thus we see where the Government, ever unwilling to make hard decisions, will simply borrow more money to keep things going as they have....... (or PRINT more meaningless and worthless money... same result, eventually.)

    This attitude and method of operations has only one inevitable result, a complete meltdown and financial and fiscal collapse of the Nation's economy.

    So, as I see it, either we all take in our belts a bit and realize that the Nation absolutely cannot support "the entitled" at the levels as in the past, or we ALL end up financially trashed.

    The question I have often posed in the past, which has yet to receive a logical answer is; IF the Nation goes into financial collapse, who, then, will support the countless millions of Americans already on the Government dole? (One way to teach the forgotten lesson that YOU are ultimately responsible for your livelihood, no one else.)

    It IS a rhetorical question worthy of consideration for the "business as usual" bunch and the NIMBY bunch and the "What's in it for me?" bunch.

    .... and you think you are "poor" now? You ain't seen nothin' yet!

    GG
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    Which part of "... shall NOT be infringed..." confuses you?
    Well now, aren't WE a pair, Raggedy Man? (Thunderdome)

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    Grow Up You Big Baby

    In Ohio we have Issue 3 on the ballot, it is an amendment to preserve the freedom of Ohioans to choose their health care.

    It says in Ohio, no law or rule shall compel, directly or indirectly, any person, employer, or health care provider to participate in a health care system.

    So I commented in the local paper, we need to vote Yes for issue 3, and I received this comment from OUbobcat08, and I had to reply.

    OUBobcat08

    Debray, You have a warped perception of what reality is when it comes to recent college grads and ability versus desire to find jobs. I graduated college in 2008 and searched for as well as applied for hundreds of jobs in my career field with no avail. So for two years I was without health insurance while I worked a job that did not provide it's employees with health insurance as most minimum wage jobs do not. So I had no regular doctor check ups and had to pay out of pocket my entire bill to simply see the dentist or get the vision care I require. Many of my friends that graduated college are still having the same struggle. I am truly disturbed and insulted that you seen to think that these recent college grads that are occupying wall street or wish to stay on mom and dad's insurance are lazy.... Now most of my friends have moved to other countries to get jobs or are forced to go back to school and get further in debt only to become over qualified for jobs.

    Debray

    Wow Outbobcat08,
    I feel bad for you, I also didn’t have health care while I worked on jobs that didn’t provide it's employees with health insurance when I first started out. I joined the Army they provide health care, dental care, eye care and gave me a free hair cut. Did you ever think about doing that? When I got out of the Army I was only 20 years old, I did what ever I could to provide a living for myself, I cleaned barns, built fence, what ever, I still didn’t have health care, or dental care either. But I never went back to Mom and Dad and asked them for help, nor did I go around complaining, that someone should take care of me, you poor baby. I still pay my dentist bills out of pocket. You say, “Many of my friends that graduated college are still having the same struggle“. I say that is part of growing up, (SO GROW UP YOU BIG BABY)
    “Every step we take towards making the State our Caretaker of our lives, by that much we move toward making the State our Master.” – Dwight D. Eisenhower

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