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    This is an article from an email I received today. I think it is a good read, regardless of your political persuasion, and one can take it however one wants. Read it and form your own opinion.



    President Two-Face
    October 25, 2011 by Ben Crystal

    UPI
    U.S. President Barack Obama announces the last U.S. troops will leave Iraq by the end of this year.I’ve seen the Democrats’ latest attempts to recast President Barack Obama as some kind of latter-day Alexander the Great. I’ve observed from Outside The Asylum as the same liberals who castigated President George W. Bush, President George H.W. Bush and President Ronald Reagan (but not President Bill Clinton) for their warlike ways have suddenly tried to recast themselves as latter-day Gen. George Pattons.

    Obama, for whom they voted based on a tenuous combination of racism, hatred and shared opposition to securing freedom against the onslaught of Islamofascism and socialism, has taken to strutting around the golf course like the conquering hero in the wake of the brutal execution of Libyan dictator and terrorist benefactor Moammar Gadhafi.

    Democratic mouthpieces far and wide are bleating their continued fealty to his belatedly bloodthirsty Presidency. Even infamously battle-averse Obama court jester Bill Maher took a break from his usual public displays of what appear to be some serious mommy issues to praise Obama as “President Badass.” Maher even went so far as to praise the use of unmanned drones of late, an interesting departure from his claim that the use of cruise missiles after 9-11 was “cowardly.”

    Far be it for me to point out that Obama had as much to do with the execution of Gadhafi as Maher has with women who don’t charge by the hour. But Obama took victory laps through the corporate media in the wake of the executions of Osama bin Laden and Anwar al-Awlaki, so it should hardly come as a surprise that he’s shined up his jack boots following Gadhafi’s death at the hands of Libyans. My real confusion centers on the Democrats who were positively aghast when Bush directed the effort to clear the planet of Islamofascist vermin are now positively aghast that Obama isn’t amassing praise for the same.

    Don’t mistake me here. I fully support the prejudicial termination of pretty much every Tariq, Dhakir or Haji who dreams of killing Americans (or coaxing Akbar from the falafel stand into doing it). I say so despite disagreement with people for whom I have the utmost respect, even Bob Livingston himself. I believe the world is a better place without bin Laden, al-Awlaki and Gadhafi, three ticks who gleefully embedded themselves in the hide of humanity — and encouraged others to do the same — for decades. But why in the name of Allah are liberals so excited? What happened to the “war criminal” charges they heaved at Bush and **** Cheney? Who hit the mute button and stifled their cries of freedom for the poor jihadis currently (still) cooling their heels in Gitmo?

    Meanwhile, Obama has suddenly acknowledged we still have troops in Iraq, and that they’ll be coming home soon. As is the case with most Obama proclamations, I’ll believe it when the last soldier disembarks from the plane. Hopefully, the tarmac on which that soldier’s boots gently tread will be in the United States and not in Libya (which has already announced Sharia law as the basis for its developing government), Uganda (yes, we have troops there) or Tunisia (where Islamofascists are poised to take control).

    However, now that Obama has abandoned his stand against American military interventionism, I suppose I’ll just have to hope that whichever Republican sends Obama packing next November will deliver — well — change.

    –Ben Crystal

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    Sorry...but no...sounds like the same hyperbolic crap to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the dark View Post
    Sorry...but no...sounds like the same hyperbolic crap to me.
    Dark: This comment of yours is consistent with all of your comments which leads me even more to believe what the man has written. I have concluded that you will not believe anything said against Obama but I also think even you will eventually have to acknowledge what a failure he has been.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldgrunt View Post
    Dark: This comment of yours is consistent with all of your comments which leads me even more to believe what the man has written. I have concluded that you will not believe anything said against Obama but I also think even you will eventually have to acknowledge what a failure he has been.
    Well add me to that list too, Cause this is BS y'all are pissed and won't come out and say the reason why.

    If you remember President Bush was the one who agreed to have the Status-of-Forces Agreement [SOFA] ) expires on December 31,2011. So now you want to be pissed that president Obama is saying that he is bringing all the troops home from Iraq. Or would you like him to keep our troops there in Iraq under the Sharia Law that you all have had a problem with? Because without a SOFA all of our troops will fall under the laws that Iraq follows.

    Now I will concede that the way president Obama is presenting this is to his political advantage and all the stupid republicans that say he is making a mistake by pulling our troops out of Iraq are forgetting that the Iraqis wanted our troops out of Iraq when president Bush was in office so there was not anything president Obama could do the keep our troops there. Unless you want our troops to stay and face whatever charges the Iraqis want to charge them with. Remember they are no longer in America so they lose all of the rights we have here to protect us.

    And I will be the first one to admit it I miss President Bush, Just not for the reason you do.

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    Kasper: Bringing the troops home from Iraq is great, however, look ahead and think about what may happen if it is not done with a little forethought. When the last troop leaves there, Iran will start influencing Iraq and get a foothold there which, in the long run, may necessitate our troops going back. Is that what you want? Obama could force an agreement with the Iraqis whereby our troops would not be under their law. A Status of Forces Agreement could be accomplished easily and a complete withdrawal done when the Iraqis were able to handle their own situation. Leaving abruptly may have consequences that we will absolutely regret later.

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    Hey Kasper!

    Thanks for the link to the page that explains SOFA, although there was nothing I saw on that page that indicated the pull out date for our troops was established by GWB as you state. Maybe you could provide where you got the information?

    But I did find this for your reading pleasure. Ending The War In Iraq: How Obama's Own Rhetoric -- And George Bush's Pact -- Boxed In The President

    It is well known that GWB was not the most eloquent public speaker. He was more of an 'actions speak louder that words' kind of guy. But making fun of of past presidents, rather than concentrating on the topic at hand, as a defense or a distraction only weakens you position. Both side can hold up past presidents (and current Vice President) actions and misspeaks and get a lot of chuckles out of it but it doesn't do a whole lot for the conversation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldgrunt View Post
    Kasper: Bringing the troops home from Iraq is great, however, look ahead and think about what may happen if it is not done with a little forethought. When the last troop leaves there, Iran will start influencing Iraq and get a foothold there which, in the long run, may necessitate our troops going back. Is that what you want? Obama could force an agreement with the Iraqis whereby our troops would not be under their law. A Status of Forces Agreement could be accomplished easily and a complete withdrawal done when the Iraqis were able to handle their own situation. Leaving abruptly may have consequences that we will absolutely regret later.
    Ok, but who says we have to defend Iraq when Iran sets foot there? Iraq said that they could take care of it themselves and for us to leave their country by 12/31/2011. That being the case I say, They deal with what ever happens on their own.



    Quote Originally Posted by walt629 View Post
    Hey Kasper!

    Thanks for the link to the page that explains SOFA, although there was nothing I saw on that page that indicated the pull out date for our troops was established by GWB as you state. Maybe you could provide where you got the information?

    But I did find this for your reading pleasure. Ending The War In Iraq: How Obama's Own Rhetoric -- And George Bush's Pact -- Boxed In The President

    It is well known that GWB was not the most eloquent public speaker. He was more of an 'actions speak louder that words' kind of guy. But making fun of of past presidents, rather than concentrating on the topic at hand, as a defense or a distraction only weakens you position. Both side can hold up past presidents (and current Vice President) actions and misspeaks and get a lot of chuckles out of it but it doesn't do a whole lot for the conversation.
    Thanks walt629 for letting me know that sharing the reason why I liked president Bush weakens my position. As for where I got the info that the SOFA was established while GWB was president, Is there was no need for a SOFA till GWB toppled Saddam Hussein and allowed the Iraqis to take back over the country. If you remember the joint press conference with President Bush and Maliki were an Iraqi man threw his shoes at GWB. Well that was were GWB announced that we the USA would be pulling our troops out and heading home on 12/31/2011. Here is a link that confirms what I said.-->Iraq gives final OK to U.S. pullout plan - CNN.com

    and this link will show the report of the incident it was reported by CNN and the last 15 seconds of it will show who it was that said we the USA would be pulling out our troops.

    Iraqi journalist throws shoes at Bush in Baghdad - CNN.com

    If you go back and read the link you provided for me, it has hyperlinks in it that will open up to show the information and source of it. Here is the SOFA that was agreed to --> http://graphics8.nytimes.com/package...GREED_TEXT.pdf
    Last edited by Kasper; 10-27-2011 at 03:17 PM. Reason: I forgot the h in where

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    I'd rather have a Prez that fumbled a word or two and loved this country (like Bush did right up until his last three years in office) than an eloquent jihad supporting (it would seem) marxist who's bent on reducing our "footprint" and reducing us to economic rubble so as to 'rebuild' in the statist mold he and his handlers aspire to.

    Funny thing tho, Reagan, who fixed Carters seemingly willful destruction of our economy, was a very good speaker and was a true patriot throughout his administration. No word bumbling, no country crushing, just a prez that the left hates due to the obvious success his kind of conservatism furnished.
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    Not a fan of the phony Obama, interesting that he is taking all the honor for the destruction of terrorist and the terrorist can't do a thing to stop him, he is untouchable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tuts40 View Post
    I'd rather have a Prez that fumbled a word or two and loved this country (like Bush did right up until his last three years in office) than an eloquent jihad supporting (it would seem) marxist who's bent on reducing our "footprint" and reducing us to economic rubble so as to 'rebuild' in the statist mold he and his handlers aspire to.

    Funny thing tho, Reagan, who fixed Carters seemingly willful destruction of our economy, was a very good speaker and was a true patriot throughout his administration. No word bumbling, no country crushing, just a prez that the left hates due to the obvious success his kind of conservatism furnished.
    Where do you get off saying that the President does not love this country? This is one of the reasons why they think the Tea party is racist. Obama does not love the USA he is a "eloquent jihad supporting (it would seem) Marxist who's bent on reducing our "footprint" and reducing us to economic rubble so as to 'rebuild' in the statist mold he and his handlers aspire to."

    It is statement like that, That show that you and others who think like you are too ignorant to remember the past president and his actions that lead to the economic condition's we are in now. Yes President Obama plays a part in it but whoever won the election in 2008 would have had the same problems with the economy. As whether it would be better or worse depends on who you ask.

    I base this on a thing called cause and effect. You start 2 wars, cut taxes and borrow money from China to fight the 2 wars the effect will be?

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