The political solution? Fire 'em all - re-elect nobody!
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    The political solution? Fire 'em all - re-elect nobody!

    IMO (shared by many), it's time to hit "reset" on national and state politics, and start over. Politics has come to be the science of how a politician can exercise control over his/her constituents. It SHOULD be about how a politician can enable his/her constituents to work toward their goals while maximizing freedom for all. My solution? Let's send a message that we won't tolerate "politics as usual", gutlessness, "spin", cronyism, and a complete lack of statesmanship. Fire 'em all, re-elect nobody, and let it be known that we want politicians who will tell us the whole truth, will let us make our own decisions (and live with the consequences), and will actually support and defend the Constitution without trying to re-interpret or "extend" it into places it was never intended to go.

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    Ha - if only it were that easy..

    Open your eyes.

    Big Corporate interests have, for all intents and purposes, bought both parties. BOTH PARTIES.

    You can vote all you want. But the fact is, neither party is going to allow a candidate to be put forward, who hasn't been bought and paid for by special interest. (In other words, big corporations.)

    At its core (and despite all the efforts by uber-left and socialist groups to subvert it), this is what the whole "Occupy" movement is all about.

    My concern is the way that a lot of these companies aren't actually creating wealth and value...but literally are "sucking it from the bottom up." This happens when:

    1) The product or service is more of a commodity than a luxury, such as fuel / energy / health care, and the like.

    2) Due to de-regulation, the number of suppliers is dwindling, causing each supplier to have a bigger slice of the pie

    3) The small number of suppliers is able to collude, artificially restricting supply to drive up prices (or engaging otherwise in price-fixing activities)

    4) The small number of suppliers are able to use their money to buy whole political parties (yes - BOTH parties), so that laws are written only in their favor, sidestepping the whole democratic process.

    5) Politicians aren't interested in fixing the problem, because the "problem" is making them wealthy, and in the process keeping the "99%" barely scraping by (comparatively). A disarmed and struggling "working poor" populace is one that doesn't have time or means to participate in the political process. Or revolt.
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    Why does this sound so familiar...?

    Think about a drug dealer for a minute. The dealer wants everyone hooked on his product. It is not in his interest for people to go into recovery and stop using it. And it damn sure isn't in his interest for someone else to move into his territory and start selling it.

    When the drug dealer has - through killing, intimidating, and otherwise strangling out most of the smaller competition - grown to a sufficient size...he will start buying politicians, spreading the wealth around, to create a safer and more secure environment in which to ply his trade.

    Since it is prohibitively expensive to eliminate ALL his competition, he will meet with the heads of other organized crimininal organizations, to define territory and fix prices.

    Eventually, those who are addicted to his drugs wind up barely able to get by, because all their money goes towards getting their fix, and the price just keeps going UP.

    Seems despicable right? Just like something out of Law & Order, or the movie theaters.

    Now apply this business model to an unregulated oil and energy market, or to credit card companies...and you have PRECISELY the same dynamic.

    What can ONE CITIZEN do? As for my family and me, we have begun by getting ourselves OUT OF DEBT, so we are no longer in that market. And we try to be active in helping others with that, now that we have succeeded.

    I'm thinking of ways to extricate ourselves from Big Oil / Big Energy - a much tougher proposition - but if we succeed, we will gladly help anyone who's willing to achieve the same goal, as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillip Gain View Post
    Think about a drug dealer for a minute. The dealer wants everyone hooked on his product. It is not in his interest for people to go into recovery and stop using it. And it damn sure isn't in his interest for someone else to move into his territory and start selling it.

    When the drug dealer has - through killing, intimidating, and otherwise strangling out most of the smaller competition - grown to a sufficient size...he will start buying politicians, spreading the wealth around, to create a safer and more secure environment in which to ply his trade.

    Since it is prohibitively expensive to eliminate ALL his competition, he will meet with the heads of other organized crimininal organizations, to define territory and fix prices.

    Eventually, those who are addicted to his drugs wind up barely able to get by, because all their money goes towards getting their fix, and the price just keeps going UP.

    Seems despicable right? Just like something out of Law & Order, or the movie theaters.

    Now apply this business model to an unregulated oil and energy market, or to credit card companies...and you have PRECISELY the same dynamic.

    What can ONE CITIZEN do? As for my family and me, we have begun by getting ourselves OUT OF DEBT, so we are no longer in that market. And we try to be active in helping others with that, now that we have succeeded.

    I'm thinking of ways to extricate ourselves from Big Oil / Big Energy - a much tougher proposition - but if we succeed, we will gladly help anyone who's willing to achieve the same goal, as well.

    I call it the "Corporate Mafia" and the AFP (Americans For Prosperity) and BR (Business Roundtable" are the "Commission". The problem is that it is not a new phenomenon. It already existed and was moving to take charge before the ink was dry on the Constitution of the United States! It's proponents (Hamilton and others) made sure that the Constitution covered their actions , albeit Jefferson and others slipping in the Bill of Rights ( against giant opposition)to give the "little people" a small piece of the pie.

    The more I read into the first 50 years of this country, the more I realize that we were set up as a mercantile ( Modern word: Corporate)Plutocratic Republic from the very beginning. All this talk about "taking back our country" is so much smoke and mirrors. it never was "our country" it has always belonged to the Corporate class. Our government is a natural outgrowth of Capitalism and there is no use getting angry about it, this is how Capitalism thrives and Capitalism is still a whole lot better than Communism.

  6. Careful guys, this sounds an awful lot like socialism! Where is Joe the plumber when you need him?!

    Funny story behind that. My aunt and uncle ( in laws ) own a plumbing company and live in that 60-100k bracket so they believe that the liberals are out to take their money and anything that involves helping the struggling families in America is socialism! What I'm extremely curious about is how everyone turns a blind eye to the national debt. How does this not bother anyone else?! America better start selling drugs or get into the pimp game because what we are doing now simply isn't working!

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    Wish it was as simple as not re-electing anyone. The dirty little secret is everyone is mad at the Representatives except theirs. Then you have special interest be it business or private. Bottom line money talks and BS walks. Everyone has their price. There is no such thing as a level playing field, never has been and never will be as long as humans inhabit this planet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonbreath View Post
    IMO (shared by many), it's time to hit "reset" on national and state politics, and start over. Politics has come to be the science of how a politician can exercise control over his/her constituents. It SHOULD be about how a politician can enable his/her constituents to work toward their goals while maximizing freedom for all. My solution? Let's send a message that we won't tolerate "politics as usual", gutlessness, "spin", cronyism, and a complete lack of statesmanship. Fire 'em all, re-elect nobody, and let it be known that we want politicians who will tell us the whole truth, will let us make our own decisions (and live with the consequences), and will actually support and defend the Constitution without trying to re-interpret or "extend" it into places it was never intended to go.
    Fire 'em all! I agree! I wish there were a way we could do just that. Have you noticed, though, how they are not ALL up for re-election at the same time? It's convenient to prevent firing them enmasse! Maybe we could add an amendment to change that. Oh, hell, people wouldn't go for that. Too much work. Hey, how about TERM LIMITS!!?? That would work, too, don't you think?
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    Better yet take away there benefit package. This is not a career position why should they be rewarded like it is. Everyone of them is an instant millionaire just by winning the election. Not sure how to accomplish getting rid of the benefit package though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonbreath View Post
    Fire 'em all, re-elect nobody, and let it be known that we want politicians who will tell us the whole truth, will let us make our own decisions (and live with the consequences), and will actually support and defend the Constitution without trying to re-interpret or "extend" it into places it was never intended to go.
    I agree in theory, but it would never work. Anyone who believes we could turn a country around in one or two election cycles is either extremely naïve, or has extreme faith. I don't knock either reason because I'm guilty of both.

    I believe we would need to fire them all (no exceptions) in every election cycle, and repeat for every local, state and federal election for at least several generations.

    There is no way a few election cycles would deter enemies of our country. There is also no way for the majority of a disinterested and frankly, very ignorant population (I include myself), to follow this behemoth we call the federal, state and local government and all those governmental influences, both foreign and domestic.

    There are well over 600,000 bureaucrats alone, most of them appointed. If you add in the municipal employees, the teachers and every other union recieving gov money, there are many millions.

    When you add the global corporations and their interests, there are many, many millions.

    If you add up all of us who are on the government dole, that includes about 99.9% of us, and about a billion foreigners.

    People in this country no longer know how to fen for themselves. They can’t even comprehend what that would be like, and neither can I. Life as we know it would not exist if the "problem" were “solved.”

    This is exactly why they continually lie to us. They know we can’t handle the absolute ugly truth. And the truth is, I believe this is all an exercise in fantasy.

    [They] are executing on a 100+ year plan to collapse this nation from within. Even the Founders knew, no one could collapse it from without. [They] have infected every facet of everything, and anyone who points to a single enemy like banking, and a handful of answers to "solve" the problem, is far more naive than can be stated in words. That would be like saying we have a leak and shoveling sand into the ocean to plug it up.

    America is being divvied up for the world’s victors, those nameless faceless people who run just about everything. This process has been going on for about 50 years.

    American's in general (self included) don't have the memory, the savvy, the tenacity or the backbone for what needs to happen. It took 100 years to get here; it would take 30 to get back. I pray it would be restored, but I don’t see that happening.

    Signed,
    Mr. Cynical J. Realist

    PS. God please forgive us for what we leave to our children because Jesus may be the only answer we have left.

    PPS. Who the hell is [They] anyway? I think the hint is in my question.

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