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  1. And only seven senators had the guts to vote against this travesty.

    Write letters of thanks to the following Senators for standing up for our rights:

    Coburn (R-OK)
    Harkin (D-IA)
    Lee (R-UT)
    Merkley (D-OR)
    Paul (R-KY)
    Sanders (I-VT)
    Wyden (D-OR)

    (I am very pleased that both of my Senators voted against it.)

    And, unless you're also in Oregon, write to your Senator or Senators to scold them for voting for it.

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  3. Ed, you really loose credibly with that socialist, communist "D" by your handle. If you want anybody to take you seriously you really need to lose it. Democrates is a disease , a mental disorder. Communism Does Not Work you can not build a better mouse trap. Although Stalin thought he had a better mouse trap, and Killed 27 million people that would not buy into it. Republicans suck too. All I am saying is just loose your party affiliation. Unless of course you like the attention.
    "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it."Frederic Bastia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed Hurtley View Post
    And only seven senators had the guts to vote against this travesty.

    Write letters of thanks to the following Senators for standing up for our rights:

    Coburn (R-OK)
    Harkin (D-IA)
    Lee (R-UT)
    Merkley (D-OR)
    Paul (R-KY)
    Sanders (I-VT)
    Wyden (D-OR)

    (I am very pleased that both of my Senators voted against it.)

    And, unless you're also in Oregon, write to your Senator or Senators to scold them for voting for it.
    Yep, another sad vote. Wonder why Diane sold out.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by wooddoctor View Post
    Ed, you really loose credibly with that socialist, communist "D" by your handle. If you want anybody to take you seriously you really need to lose it. Democrates is a disease , a mental disorder. Communism Does Not Work you can not build a better mouse trap. Although Stalin thought he had a better mouse trap, and Killed 27 million people that would not buy into it. Republicans suck too. All I am saying is just loose your party affiliation. Unless of course you like the attention.
    You seem convinced to berate me any time I post, so would removing that label make any difference? I put the label out there to remind people that there *ARE* gun-rights-friendly liberals/progressives/Democrats out there.

    I know Communism doesn't work - that's why I'm not a Communist.

    If you don't like political parties, fine. A few years ago, I was the same way. I had switched between the major parties, trying to figure out which one would accept my "mixed" beliefs best. Then I decided neither. Then I figured out that (very unfortunately) our current political climate really only seriously considers the two major parties. (Every independent that has been elected to congress in the past 20 years has started as a Democrat or a Republican, and only switched to Independent *AFTER* election.) So I finally decided that the only way to affect actual change would be to choose the party that is closest to my ideals, then work to change the parts I don't like from the inside.

    I'm under no illusion that this will be an easy (or fast) process. But I figure it's better than just ignoring the two 800 pound gorillas while complaining that the 5 pound monkey is being ignored.

    Although I do feel that I am making progress. Earlier this week I met with the leadership of the state Democratic party, and the current special Congressional election came up. The fact that the Democratic candidate has zero public statements on gun rights, and a record as a state legislator that is "neutral to negative" on gun rights was discussed. Specifically, the fact that this congressional district is one that includes a lot of rural Democrats. Gun rights are very likely to be an issue that could swing this race. If we can get this candidate to see the light, that gun rights are actually important to the constituency of this district, then that's one more law maker that will be in favor of gun rights, rather than against. In the end, isn't THAT what should be important? Who cares what label the politician has, if they vote in a way that is in line with your beliefs? If it means taking on a label to have that impact on a politician, so be it. If I was an independent, there is NO WAY that conversation with the party leadership would have happened. There is no way that the party leadership would have been open to me (as an independent) trying to influence their candidate.

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    Not calling you out Ed but gun rights is not the only issue that conservatives have a problem with liberals about.

    One of my biggest problems with liberals is that most think the government is supposed to be responsible for making sure folks are fed, housed and have enough spending money to sit on their porches drinking beer, watching me drive by in my work van and pay taxes to support them.

    Being conservative, to me, is me being responsible for myself and my family and not depend on the government to make sure I have three squares and a roof over my head.

    If the liberals would take care of the unable, that would be one thing, but they want to take care of the lazy and irresponsible as well, with the fruits of my labor.

    KK

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    I've been sqwacking about this ever since it came to light. People I talk to don't want to believe it so I'm not going to talk about it any longer. When Obama begins arresting people as terrorists for disagreeing with him then maybe (but I doubt it) people will wake up but by then it will be too late.

  8. firelooker, even then, people probably won't wake up. It happened under Bush (only one person - and the arrest itself was likely justified - but it still happened,) and very few raised a stink over it.

    Keykutter, while there are liberals who do believe that "everyone should be entitled to everything," that is a minority. Unfortunately, it's a minority that the conservative "establishment" have (successfully) convinced people is true of ALL liberals. (Much as they have convinced people that liberals are anti-gun.) Just like how (again, unfortunately,) the liberal "establishment" have convinced people that the entire Tea Party movement is racist. Yes, I'm sure there are some racists in the Tea Party movement - but that doesn't mean the movement as a whole is racist. Just as there are some "socialist" liberals out there, it doesn't mean that all liberals are socialists.

    I am a firm believer in a "social safety net", where it is purely a "safety net", not a means of living. Which, thankfully, here in fairly-liberal Oregon, it IS just a safety net. There is no long-term "welfare" in Oregon, only short-term "temporary assistance" that only applies if you have children. And yes, drug tests are a part of that system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker's Mom View Post
    You might also want to notice that this is the same person who was running for POTUS 6 years ago that said anything that were then pleasing to the ears of the voters so he can be voted for office.
    That covers 99 & 9/10% of all politicians, regardless.
    ~ Truth Is Hate To Those Who Hate The Truth ~

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    All of this not new. This is simply an attempt to extend the "Insurrection Act" privileges that GW Bush used to arrest American Citizens with U.S. Military on American soil. Download and read the paper at "An Insurrection Act for the 21st Century" by Thaddeus Hoffmeister for further enlightenment. In 2005 an amendment was written into the Defense appropriation Act to include terrorism in the Insurrection Act. This amendment was repealed in 2008. This is just another attempt to put it back in. Under 10 USC 333, the President already has the authority to use U.S. troops to arrest American Citizens within state borders. Posse Commitatus (which actually applies to state and local governments using Federal troops to arrest, seize and search) is over ridden by the Insurrection act and has been since 1807. This isn't a move by OBama to become a dictator, he already is one by law as was George W. Bush and every other President since the "Great Dictator" Abraham Lincoln. There is no real change here, we all already do and have since 1861 live and die as Washington, DC wills. The Bill of Rights has to do with making laws, not with enforcing them. Sorry, but Americans need to find out what their real status is within their own country. I love my country, I have served my country and I support my country. But that country is not what most of you seem to think it is, totally free and ruled by the populace. We are a republic and we are ruled by an elite group of people, as is every other country on Earth. We are just very lucky that, as regular citizens, we do have a really good life.

    Our country isn't perfect, but it is way better than most others out there. I don't intend to move any time soon, but I am not surprised when the federal government craps all over me and gets away with it either.
    Retired Marine, Retired School Teacher,Independent Voter, Goldwater Conservative.

  11. Ed, your efforts are noble but fruitless. In my estimation 99% of the Democrates are evil socialist boring away at our Rebulic. They think they can create a better mouse trap toward socialism. Now, Let's not leave out the scum of the republicans party, we might have 20% that might actually care about the Rule of Law. Where as, the Democrate believes in the rule of man, you know, mop rules.

    All this lobbying and fighting for the second amendment is simply hogwash. This will be the last to go. All other rights are being take away right under our noses. The pawns are in position and are advancing and are maneuvered towards their ultimate objective.

    Newt was a supporter of the fairness doctrine, is the best the R's can do? i can see why you are flip flopping.

    We need to be more concerned with Bills legislating our free speech and others as such, taking away our Liberties.
    "Social Safty Net"?? what a pansy ass term. Sounds like you have been indoctinated in the government school system. That's a term for those who want to mooch from the produces and that have made bad choices in their life. Asking the government to steal from those who work for their money. No different then a thief coming to your home and robbing you, the only difference is that the government is doing it.

    Get over yourself, grow some testicles and quit following the herd over the clif.
    "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it."Frederic Bastia

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