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View Poll Results: Do you support the amendment/repeal of the 1986 Class III Weapons Ban?

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  • Yes it is clearly a constitutional infringement and a Inalienable right.

    161 75.23%
  • Yes it is clearly a constitutional infringement.

    55 25.70%
  • No, only law enforcement and military should have Class III Weapons.

    3 1.40%
  • No, only law enforcement and military should have Class III or any kind of Weapons.

    1 0.47%
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  1. #11
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    I agree, it's an inalienable right.

    Training is the key here though. If the GCA is repealed, the government should require everyone (not just those planning to own a gun) to go through small arms training in high school.
    Silent Running, by Mike and the Mechanics

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    Quote Originally Posted by toreskha View Post
    ... the government should require everyone (not just those planning to own a gun) to go through small arms training in high school.
    The NRA offers some great programs designed for schools. There are materials geared for students from primary grades on up. Suggest teaching this and see the reaction you get. When I've mentioned this, even teachers and administrators who are gun owners and pro 2nd get that 'deer in the headlights' look. Our society has been cowed by the antis for so long that many have difficulty even thinking about acting as though they have rights.

    As to whether there should be training--of course there should. Schools were originally expected to maintain a well-educated voting class. Second Amendment training should only be part of a students education meant to preserve a working Republic. A good education also has other benefits which are often overlooked.
    People don't like to be meddled with. We tell them what to do, what to think, don't run, don't walk. We're in their homes and in their heads and we haven't the right. We're meddlesome.--River Tam

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    RE: Amend/Repeal Class III Ban - A Stepping Stone To Total Gun Confiscation

    Whereas, to preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them...
    Richard Henry Lee, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.

    A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks.
    ... Thomas Jefferson to Peter Carr, 1785. The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, (Memorial Edition) Lipscomb and Bergh, editors.

    No freeman shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
    ... Thomas Jefferson: Draft Virginia Constitution, 1776.

    Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States. A military force, at the command of Congress, can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power, and jealousy will instantly inspire the inclination, to resist the execution of a law which appears to them unjust and oppressive.
    ...Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution (Philadelphia 1787).

    Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American...The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.
    ...Tenche Coxe, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.

    READ THE UNABRIDGED SECOND AMENDMENT:
    http://www.firearmsandliberty.com/unabridged.2nd.html

    Read Tench Coxe and the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, 1787-1823:
    http://www.davekopel.com/2A/LawRev/hk-coxe.htm

  5. #14
    Quote Originally Posted by Bohemian View Post
    I do not think it is a matter of little interest, I think it is a mater of gun owners and the general population in general not being aware of what has been going on and what is at stake, if we do not unite and get these unconstitutional bans amended/repealed...

    there are nearly as many guns as people in the U.S. (Over 270 Million Guns, with a population of nearly 300 Million) if all their owners got off their keisters we could really accomplish something...

    Otherwise we face the fate of those in England, Australia and Canada whom are allowed to keep their guns at the police station...

    And only the criminals run loose with weapons of ALL TYPES...

    England and Australia having total gun bans of all types by civilians has the highest crime rates in the world with GUNS...

    They got where they are at the same way we are headed...

    The writing is on the wall...

    If we do nothing, we can only say we did nothing...


    "The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing."

    - Adolf Hitler
    By faith Noah,being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear,prepared an ark to the saving of his house;by the which he condemned the world,and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith Heb.11:7

  6. #15
    signed as number 128
    You can have my freedom as soon as I'm done with it!!!

  7. #16

    RE: Amend/Repeal Class III Ban - A Stepping Stone To Total Gun Confiscation

    Good Hitler Quote HK...

    Simply put, if not for gun control, Hitler would not have been able to murder 21 million people...

    A Must Read:
    Death by Gun Control, published by Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.)

    Another:
    Hitlerís Control
    The lessons of Nazi history.
    By Dave Kopel & Richard Griffiths

    Dave Kopel & Richard Griffiths on CBS & Hitler on National Review Online

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    I signed also. # 127 Until we oust those in Congress that won't listen to the people we will never be allowed our rights. Yet we continue to reelect idiots to office and allow them to do whatever they want. A 2A President won't have a chance in changing anything if one were to be elected. The House and Senate controls all the laws/bills and even if the President veto's a bill/law they can override the veto. We need to concentrate on getting the right people in the House and Senate. There is no other way unless Circuit Courts and the Supreme Court start shooting down unconstitutional laws. I doubt that will ever happen though.

    Hey Bohemian, did you notice my sig? Had it since day one here... ;)
    Last edited by Red Hat; 06-01-2008 at 11:04 PM.
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    To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them... -- Richard Henry Lee, 1787

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    Quote Originally Posted by ishi View Post
    I'm not saying that what you're proposing is a bad idea! But honestly, both the correct way and the only realistic way the NFA ban will be overturned is by a Supreme Court decision stating that it's unconstitutional. Amending unconstitutional laws is a shady business, because to some extent it lends them credibility.

    We need to vote in a president who will nominate Supreme Court justices who will rule to uphold the constitution against all usurpers and overturn the NFA. That's Ron Paul. Thompson will fail to do this, he's too compromised.
    Or, couldn't we just elect a president who has the guts to sign an executive order to repeal this?

  10. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by tattedupboy View Post
    Or, couldn't we just elect a president who has the guts to sign an executive order to repeal this?

    Or, couldn't we just elect a president who has the guts to sign an executive order to repeal this?

    I have always considered Executive orders and Presidential directives as basically unconstitutional. A way of circumventing the legislative power of congress as outlined in the constitution and giving that power to the executive branch. For a long time now presidents have used this abuse of their power to push through laws that they can not get from congress. There in is the problem for to get a law like you are talking about would require a president that was a true patriot and a firm believer in our constitution. How many of those can you come up with out of our two parties today? And if he were to be a follower of the constitution he would probably use that power to do away with Executive orders and presidential directives once and for all.
    By faith Noah,being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear,prepared an ark to the saving of his house;by the which he condemned the world,and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith Heb.11:7

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