Yes it is clearly a constitutional infringement and a Inalienable right.
Yes it is clearly a constitutional infringement.
No, only law enforcement and military should have Class III Weapons.
No, only law enforcement and military should have Class III or any kind of Weapons.
Take the poll, read the entire thread, if you have not done so already and take suggested actions...
if we do nothing, we can only say we did nothing...
Thank God I'm alive!
Or better yet, wouldn't it be better if we could elect a president who would have the guts to sign an executive order to that effect? Sure, the antis would cry foul, but so? At least the constitutional rights of law abiding citizens would be that much closer to being fully restored.Originally Posted by ishi
Getting the entire NFA repealed by congress/president or ruled unconstitutional by the SCOTUS, would be something very difficult to get accomplished in one swoop...
Although, getting some of the more offensive parts repealed/amended, ruled unconstitutional would not...
Two that we have a very good chance of making headway on is one; the $200.00 Tax Stamp on all NFA Firearms, as it violates the commerce clause of the constitution...
two;
The Part of the FOPA of 1986 that Bans civilian ownership of fully automatic weapons manufactured after May 19th, 1986 can be remedied in one of three ways...
1. Executive Order of the President
2. Ruling by the Supreme Court, which has partially been done already in Rock Island Armory v.s. U.S.
3. Congress amending/repealing said 11th hour amendment of the FOPA of 1986.
Of the three Congress amending/repealing said part the FOPA of 1986 is the fastest and easiest route...
We have gained much ground on this as the SCOTUS ruled in Parker-Heller that the ban of an entire class of weapons was unconstitutional...
In the ancient Miller ruling the SCOTUS ruled that if said weapon in question was in common use by the military and national guard that it could not be banned or otherwise considered an illegal weapon...
If we get Barack Hussein Obama in the White House we are doomed as all branches of the government will have a uber-liberal, ultra left wing, nut-job democrat majority, and most certainly the 2-3 Supreme Court Justices that will be appointed in the next 4-8 years will be anti-constructionists whom will seek to make law and change the constitution rather then uphold it...
Take notice that the last three SCOTUS decisions have been 5-4 and only one of them in our favor...
We also need to pay ATTENTION to who is running for Governor, and State and U.S. Congressional seats, city and other municipality positions such as sheriff's, Mayors, City Councilmen, do five minutes of research on the canidates that are running in your locality; THINK BEFORE YOU INK OR PUNCH CHADS OR WHAT HAVE YOU... AND DON'T STAY HOME FOR ANY ELECTION; THAT IS THE SAME AS VOTING FOR THE ANTIS...
If you re-read the original post of this thread we must make our current representatives in congress, etc., aware that the 11th hour amendment to the FOPA of 1986 was egregious and a clear constitutional infringement...
Moreover, we must hold Wayne LaPierre accountable for his miserably failed broken promise to America and the NRA... And remind him of it continuously ...
In addition, to the actions I mentioned in the original post; I suggest that we start writing letters to all the gun, sporting and outdoors magazines, as you would be amazed at how many people, including elected officials and FELLOW GUN OWNERS are not familiar with the shenanigans behind the 11th hour amendment to the FOPA of 1986
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Amend/Repeal FOPA 1986
Although, I applaud Congress for finally getting off their
bureaucratic keister's and taking action against second amendment
infringements...
I have found some serious concerns with the House of Representatives
current proposed second amendment related legislation...
http://www.nraila.org/media/PDFs/xml_198A_xml.pdf
The NRA apparently did not take the time to read it very throughly,
like the FOPA of 1986 it looks good if you skim over it; but it allows
D.C. to ban weapons that are currently not banned at the federal
level, including those still remaining legal after the egregious
second amendment infringement passage of the FOPA containing the 11th hour
amendment banning machine guns manufactured after May 19th, 1986 by
Civilians including those whom already have licensed machine guns as
collectors and for other lawful purposes...
E.G.:
Firearms Owners' Protection Act
(McClure-Volkmer Act) - Public Law 99-308
Amended the Gun Control Act of 1968 to repeal some of the sillier
provisions of that enactment, including the ban on transportation of
one's own firearms to another state (which had been a hassle
particularly for hunters), the record keeping requirement on the sale
of ammunition (which generated enormous quantities of useless paper),
the ban on interstate sales of long guns (which, then as now, are
infrequently used in crime); and limited the surprise inspections of
licensed gun dealers' premises to just once a year. It also made it a
federal offense, whether a Federally licensed firearms dealer or not,
to transfer or sell a gun to any individual who is prohibited by the
GCA '68 from owning guns, such as a felon. In a peculiar procedural
move, the House-passed version of this NRA-backed legislation
contained a ban on the possession and transfer of new machineguns by
civilians, which became effective when President Reagan signed the Act
into law, May 19, 1986. Machineguns, which were manufactured prior to
that date, are regulated under the National Firearms Act, but those
manufactured after the ban cannot be sold even to civilians who are
already licensed to own machineguns.
The Senate approved the machinegun ban language of the House bill
without a roll call vote, though their original bill did not include
the ban amendment added in the House and sponsored by U.S. Rep.
William J. Hughes (D - N.J.). (The parliamentary shenanigans
surrounding this are quite strange, and are found in Congressional
Record v.132 p.H1751 and p.S5358.) Essentially, at what was literally
the last minute, the acting chairman of the Committee of the Whole in
the then-Democrat-run
House, New York congressman Charles Rangell, declared in a simple
voice vote that Rep. Hughes' "poison pill" amendment had been adopted,
and that the "ayes" had it. This ban has later been found
unconstitutional in the case of_U.S. v. Rock Island Armory_(Federal
Supplement, v.773 p.117) but the decision was not appealed to the
Supreme Court.
I seriously doubt Ronald Reagan would have signed the FOPA of 1986 if
he had known about this last minute liberal underhandedness...
"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free
state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be
infringed."
Without this amendment, all others are meaningless. This amendment is
a guarantee to the people of the United States of America that the
right to keep and bear arms can not, shall not, nor will not be
infringed upon.
To infringe upon - by definition - is the attempt to limit the right of:
* legal or moral entitlement to do - or refrain from doing - some thing;
* legal or moral entitlement to obtain - or refrain from obtaining -
an action, thing or recognition in civil society. In the Second
Amendment, the entitlement is the right to the action(s) of keeping
and bearing a thing called arms by the people.
What this means is, the people, who in times of need may form a
militia, have the inalienable right to keep and bear arms without fear
of such right being vacated. In order to be an effective militia - an
integral part of a free society - the people should be armed in equal
or greater proportion than any potential threat - foreign or domestic
- and trained to use such armament. Additionally, the un-infringed
right of the people to keep and bear arms is the most powerful
deterrent to tyranny.
What part of "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" does Congress not understand?
This looks like a good opportunity for the pro-second amendment community to get some decades
long infringements repealed/amended such as the FOPA of 1986
So who has written their representatives, and the NRA, GOA, SAF, gun magazines, et. al. on this issue since I posted it?
If we do nothing, we can only say we did nothing...
This thread is just a reminder of what we have to look forward to, by non-action and a non-PROACTIVE approach to the coming Black Tuesday January, 20th, 2009 and the subsequent eminent gun and ammo bans... by our failure to take action...
The truth about semi-automatic firearms
YouTube - The truth about semi-automatic firearms
Where our path of gun bans, registrations are leading too...
YouTube - NRA: To See Where Gun Licensing Leads, Look To England
Last edited by Bohemian; 12-27-2008 at 06:22 PM.
Its time we started giving the Second Amendment the same attention we give the First Amendment... Governor Mike Huckabee:
YouTube - Governor Mike Huckabee at NRA's 137th Annual Mtgs Pt 1
i have sent my letters and more to come.wake up america before its too LATE///
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