Amend/Repeal Class III Ban - A Stepping Stone To Total Gun Confiscation

View Poll Results: Do you support the amendment/repeal of the 1986 Class III Weapons Ban?

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  • Yes it is clearly a constitutional infringement and a Inalienable right.

    161 75.23%
  • Yes it is clearly a constitutional infringement.

    55 25.70%
  • No, only law enforcement and military should have Class III Weapons.

    3 1.40%
  • No, only law enforcement and military should have Class III or any kind of Weapons.

    1 0.47%
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Thread: Amend/Repeal Class III Ban - A Stepping Stone To Total Gun Confiscation

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    Thumbs up Amend/Repeal Class III Ban - A Stepping Stone To Total Gun Confiscation

    The Class III Ban is a Stepping Stone To Total Gun Confiscation...
    This is exactly how they did it in the U.K., Canada, Australia and most of Europe...
    First the full-autos, then the semi-autos and so on; now they have none...

    Although, a full-auto weapon may or may not be your cup of tea; you must support & recognize the inalienable right & constitutional right of others to own them!

    The part of the FOPA of 1986 that prevents civilian manufacture and ownership of Class III weapons manufactured since the date of the act's enactment was a last minute liberal entry that was unconstitutional and is what we need amended, repealed etc., the rest of it is pretty good...
    E.G.:
    Firearms Owners' Protection Act
    (McClure-Volkmer Act) - Public Law 99-308
    Amended the Gun Control Act of 1968 to repeal some of the sillier
    provisions of that enactment, including the ban on transportation
    of one's own firearms to another state (which had been a hassle
    particularly for hunters), the record keeping requirement on the
    sale of ammunition (which generated enormous quantities of useless
    paper), the ban on interstate sales of long guns (which, then as
    now, are infrequently used in crime); and limited the surprise
    inspections of licensed gun dealers' premises to just once a year.
    It also made it a federal offense, whether a Federally licensed
    firearms dealer or not, to transfer or sell a gun to any individual
    who is prohibited by the GCA '68 from owning guns, such as a felon.
    In a peculiar procedural move, the House-passed version of this
    NRA-backed legislation contained a ban on the possession and transfer
    of new machineguns by civilians, which became effective when President
    Reagan signed the Act into law, May 19, 1986. Machineguns which
    were manufactured prior to that date are regulated under the National
    Firearms Act, but those manufactured after the ban cannot be sold
    even to civilians who are already licensed to own machineguns.
    The Senate approved the machinegun ban language of the House bill
    without a roll call vote, though their original bill did not include
    the ban amendment added in the House and sponsored by U.S. Rep. William
    J. Hughes (D - N.J.). (The parliamentary shenanigans surrounding this
    are quite strange, and are found in Congressional Record v.132 p.H1751
    and p.S5358.) Essentially, at what was literally the last minute, the
    acting chairman of the Committee of the Whole in the then-Democrat-run
    House, New York congressman Charles Rangell (D-NY), declared in a simple voice
    vote that Rep. Hughes' "poison pill" amendment had been adopted, and
    that the "ayes" had it. This ban has later been found unconstitutional
    in the case of U.S. v. Rock Island Armory (Federal Supplement, v.773
    p.117) but the decision was not appealed to the Supreme Court.

    "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

    Without this amendment, all others are meaningless. This amendment is a guarantee to the people of the United States of America that the right to keep and bear arms can not, shall not, nor will not be infringed upon.

    To infringe upon - by definition - is the attempt to limit the right of:

    * legal or moral entitlement to do - or refrain from doing - some thing;
    * legal or moral entitlement to obtain - or refrain from obtaining - an action, thing or recognition in civil society. In the Second Amendment, the entitlement is the right to the action(s) of keeping and bearing a thing called arms by the people.

    What this means is, the people, who in times of need may form a militia, have the inalienable right to keep and bear arms without fear of such right being vacated. In order to be an effective militia - an integral part of a free society - the people should be armed in equal or greater proportion than any potential threat - foreign or domestic - and trained to use such armament. Additionally, the un-infringed right of the people to keep and bear arms is the most powerful deterrent to tyranny.

    My challenge:

    Everybody whom reads this thread and believes this particular part of the FOPA/NFA of 1986 to be a 2nd amendment infringement; follow the links below and write each and every one of your representatives; and a letter to each of the major media networks in your area; just a paragraph or two and as clearly and concisely as possible state why you think the FOPA/NFA of 1986 is a 2nd amendment infringement and how you feel it should be amended etc.

    The links below all but do the typing for you; so you have no excuse; you do not need a stamp; if you feel this particular part of the FOPA/NFA of 1986 to be a 2nd amendment infringement; you must do something about it! Don’t be a pessimist!

    This is how the liberal left keeps kicking our ass! they are persistent!

    Write your representatives in Washington:
    http://www.capwiz.com/nra/dbq/officials/

    Write the Media:
    http://www.capwiz.com/nra/dbq/media/

    Once you have wrote the media and your representatives in Washington; write a brief paragraph to the GOA, SAF and the NRA and let them know they are letting us down on this issue!

    Write GOA - the Gun Owners of America:
    http://www.gunowners.org/

    Second Amendment Foundation:
    http://saf.org/

    Write the National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative Action:
    http://www.nraila.org/

    Write the NRA News:
    http://www.nranews.com/

    The last thing I ask is that you convince at least one fellow gun owner a week to do the same; and ask them to do so also; this is not a huge task and it does not take a math major to figure in a short period of time; what a following this movement will get and what a difference it will make…

    We all know too many Americans are A.D.D. when it comes to the news; they only pay attention to what they heard today or this week; America needs to be reminded that the FOPA/NFA of 1986 has to be Amended!

    Following the unconstitutional 1986 Class III weapons ban...
    Wayne LaPierre stated, "Repealing the machine gun amendment...will be
    a high priority," and promised the NRA's members that the organization
    would "actively work toward the repeal of the recent machine gun ban
    and will take all necessary steps to educate the public on the
    sporting uses and legal ownership of automatic firearms."

    I see no continuing efforts by Wayne and or the NRA challenging the
    constitutionality or otherwise legality of this amendment...

    Moreover, applicable public education aforesaid...

    I ask that Wayne keep his word...

    Further, your support thereof...

    I am a USMC veteran, a member of the NRA, a republican and I vote.

    Semper Fidelis

    A related thread:
    Wanna repeal '86 MG ban?:
    http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=117748
    Last edited by Bohemian; 06-01-2008 at 10:32 AM.

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    I completely agree with this, but I think the sheep will have a very very hard time letting law abiding citizens have these back.
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    --- Some of the friendliest people I have ever talked to are gun owners and shooters and according to the gun activists we are the mass murders and felons of the nation???

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    Thumbs up

    Ok, whom has showed their support for the 2nd amendment and met my challenge on this so far?

  5. #4
    I'm not saying that what you're proposing is a bad idea! But honestly, both the correct way and the only realistic way the NFA ban will be overturned is by a Supreme Court decision stating that it's unconstitutional. Amending unconstitutional laws is a shady business, because to some extent it lends them credibility.

    We need to vote in a president who will nominate Supreme Court justices who will rule to uphold the constitution against all usurpers and overturn the NFA. That's Ron Paul. Thompson will fail to do this, he's too compromised.

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    The Supreme Court has a history of extreme reluctance to overturn laws instituted by a duly elected legislation of the United States...

    Amending the NFA would be ideal, but we need to start somewhere and the 1986 FOPA specific back-room, last minute amendments that were added without a majority vote; that prevent civilian manufacture and ownership of Class 3 Weapons manufactured after the enactment date in 1986 is clearly unconstitutional...

    Much in the way that amnesty has been nearly unanimously shot down at every turn this year; due to constituents shutting down the switchboards in Washington and filling email boxes and mailboxes, fax machines etc., of our representatives in Washington; this is a obvious proven approach to the repeal of the Class 3 Weapons ban...

    If we do nothing, we can only say we have done nothing…

    If we do nothing, we have already lost… George Washington

    My challenge remains…

    Write your representatives in Washington:
    http://www.capwiz.com/nra/dbq/officials/

    Write the Media:
    http://www.capwiz.com/nra/dbq/media/

    Write GOA - the Gun Owners of America:
    http://www.gunowners.org/

    Second Amendment Foundation:
    http://saf.org/

    Write the National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative Action:
    http://www.nraila.org/

    Write the NRA News:
    http://www.nranews.com/

    Sign online FOPA/NFA Ban Petition:
    http://www.petitiononline.com/NFABAN2/petition.html

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    Thumbs up

    We need to vote in a president who will nominate Supreme Court justices who will rule to uphold the constitution against all usurpers and overturn the NFA. That's Ron Paul. Thompson will fail to do this, he's too compromised.
    I agree; although, Mike Huckabee is another option to Ron Paul and Huckabee is better on the War on Terror and Homeland Security...

    http://www.mikehuckabee.com/
    Last edited by Bohemian; 10-13-2007 at 09:34 AM.

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    Re: Amend/Repeal Class III Ban - A Stepping Stone To Total Gun Confiscation

    Please take the time to review the original post in this thread and remain
    vigilant about not letting this issue or this thread go unnoticed...

    Please take the suggested actions and any others of your own you may have, and encourage your fellow gun owners, peers, friends, family, neighbors etc., to do the same...

    Its long over due for repeal/amending and the NRA has FAILED MISERABLY in their PROMISE to pursue this until it is repealed/amended...
    AND we must remind them frequently of their BROKEN PROMISE to their members and America.

    A related thread worth visiting and participating in on another forum is:
    Wanna repeal '86 MG ban? - THR

    AND as much as it is like taking cod liver oil, we must vote for McCain in November...

    Best Regards.

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    I signed the petition but I'm only #124 :cry:
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    building an AR on my blog

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    Not much intrest .I'm 126

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    RE: Amend/Repeal Class III Ban - A Stepping Stone To Total Gun Confiscation

    I do not think it is a matter of little interest, I think it is a mater of gun owners and the general population in general not being aware of what has been going on and what is at stake, if we do not unite and get these unconstitutional bans amended/repealed...

    there are nearly as many guns as people in the U.S. (Over 270 Million Guns, with a population of nearly 300 Million) if all their owners got off their keisters we could really accomplish something...

    Otherwise we face the fate of those in England, Australia and Canada whom are allowed to keep their guns at the police station...

    And only the criminals run loose with weapons of ALL TYPES...

    England and Australia having total gun bans of all types by civilians has the highest crime rates in the world with GUNS...

    They got where they are at the same way we are headed...

    The writing is on the wall...

    If we do nothing, we can only say we did nothing...

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