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  1. In Ohio every one goes through the check CCW or not. But I have never been charged extra for it. And a friend of mine just pick up a gun last week.
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  3. #12
    I always charge the same transfer fee.
    I have seen some dealers advertise a certain fee for the transfer and an additional fee for the NICS.Never made sense to me.I have one fee,Nics or not.To me,it's just part of the service.
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  4. #13
    You may want to read this.

    http://www.atf.treas.gov/firearms/05...openletter.pdf

    The NICS does not charge for the check. The $25 fee is a state fee.

    There are basically one requirement for the permit exemption. The state must do a background check at least every 5 years. FL's permits are now good for 7 years so they can't use it. Some state are issuing a lifetime permit. They can't use it. If you don't do a nackfround check when it is renewed then it can't be used. This is what I understand the problem in NV is, that they don't do the NICS background check on renewals.
    Last edited by FN1910; 06-30-2008 at 10:31 PM.

  5. #14
    NEVADA HAS ALWAYS DONE THE BACKGROUND CHECK ON RENEWALS, THEY EVEN DO A BACKGROUND CHECK WHEN YOU ADD A NEW PIECE TO YOUR CURRENT CCW...

    TWO WORDS ARE DEFICIENT ONLY IN THE BATFE'S OPINION...
    NEW OR RENEWAL

    They conveniently failed to mention this in their letter which makes Nevada look like the bad guys...

    Pursuant to the NICS Improvement Act, AKA the Veterans Disarmament Act...
    and what remains of the stinking Brady Bill...

    There is a mandatory NICS check on all firearm purchases, the exception being those whom possess a valid CCW in states that allow them...
    THIS IS A FEDERAL PROVISION...

    Additionally, the FBI can not longer charge for doing the NICS check...

    The Veterans Disarmament Act gave the BATFE increased liberty to regulate firearms purchase requirements, dealer and manufacturer paperwork requirements... Effectively giving them all but the ability to outright BAN gun ownership...

    Do some googleing on Reds Trading Post and see how the BATFE is trying to put gun dealers out of business, for common paperwork errors, such as abbreviating a State name or other information., dotting i's crossing t's...

    JUST AS THE GOA WARNED US ABOUT and the NRA sold us up the river on:
    Gun Owners of America

    The BATFE has taken it upon themselves to determine which states that allow CCW permits; also qualify for absolution from the NICS check and the $25.00 FEDERAL BRADY BILL fee...

    The States have further taken it upon themselves and have been given the ability to do so also via the Veterans Disarmament Act to choose to either use the FBI's NICS System for free or use their own and charge up to the maximum fee of $25.00 allowed by the Veterans Disarmament Act...

    Nevada elected to use their own, but were still limited to charging only those whom did not possess a CCW...

    The BATFE saw the opportunity to throw a road block in the way and they have done so; two words in the Nevada Revised Statutes in regards to CCW applications are deficient according to the BATFE; so knowing that new legislation even if there is no opposition, takes time, most often years...
    The BATFE in the spirit of the Brady Bill and the Veterans Disarmament Act have saw the opportunity to make it harder for law abiding citizens to purchase a firearm.

    The Nevada State Legislature was already set to correct the wrong and had worked with the Sheriff's association, to persuade the BATFE to back off till the legislation went through...
    Apparently the Sheriff's association agreed as long as there was a nominal fee increase for CCW permits added to the law; in the Sheriff's association draft; they asked for double the current fee and to make the renewal from $15.00 to over $200.00 the legislature would not agree because it was unjustified...

    What this amounts to is the COPS and the BATFE are butt buddies and they see a way to throw a monkey wrench in things one way or the other; either we get bent over at permit and renewal time or we get bent over every time we make a new purchase...

    This is GUN CONTROL PURE AND SIMPLE, thanks to the Brady Bill and the NRA sponsored and GOA opposed Veterans Disarmament Act...
    They still do not grasp the concept of "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED"

    Depending upon the pressure put on the BATFE, the Sheriff's association, the President, Congress and the Nevada State Legislature by CCW Holders and Gun Owners, the Media, NRA, GOA, SAF, VFW, etc., will ultimately determine how quickly this gets resolved...

    Nevada's CCW infringement started with the Brady Bill and was sealed by the Veterans Disarmament Act and BATFE running amuck unchecked...

    What two words does the BATFE (an organization of non-lawyers) find wrong with Nevada CCW Law written by ATTORNEYS? Our CCW Applications do not contain RENEWAL OR NEW (Application), the process is the same two fricking words...

    If you are outraged, regardless of what state you live in...

    TAKE ACTION, WRITE YOUR STATE & LOCAL REPRESENTATIVES, THE PRESIDENT, THE MEDIA, THE NRA, GOA, SAF, VFW, et.al.
    ... STOP (READ ABOLISH) THE BATFE
    Last edited by Bohemian; 06-30-2008 at 11:17 PM.

  6. #15
    If I were you guys and gals out in Nevada, I'd start by raising hell with the state legislature. Get THEM to change your state laws on this stuff.

    Here in Michigan, we got BATFE approval saying that any Michigan Concealed Pistol License, issued AFTER Nov. 22, 2005, would pass as a NICS check. But even if it didn't, we go through the fed NICS, not any state system, so we don't have a NICS fee.
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    From a Nevadan...

    It deals with the critieria a State must maintain to have their respective CCW exempt. The Nevada Sheriffs & Chiefs Association used this as an attempt to raise NV CFP fees last legislative session. Well that's not going to fly because three bordering States have NICS exemptions and their respective CCW is much less; AZ, ID and UT. Ironically what has also happened is NV CFP fees have dropped by a $4.25. Now why is it that this happened across the board in all Nevada counties when the Nevada Sheriffs and Chiefs Associatioin wanted to increase the fees to $170 ever five years?

    The Nevada NICS fee is used to pay for the Nevada Criminal Repository; the State mirror of NCIC.

    One of four things needs to happen;

    1. The NV legislature corrects the NV CFP statute so it meets the BATF auditing requirements for a NICS exemption.
    2. NV CFP holders are exempt from using the NV Criminal Repository (which is a State mirror for NCIC) for NICS checks and the free service is used.
    3. The NV AG files a lawsuit against BATFE. It's going to happen, our current AG is not pro-gun nor anti-gun either.
    4. NV CFPs are issued through NV DPS instead of county sheriffs. The NV Sheriffs and Chiefs Association is out of the loop when it comes to NV CFPs. In this legislative process, NV DPS must comply with all requirements to keep NV CFP holders NICS exempt.

    One thing is for sure, we will not see any change in oiur favor until after the general election. Many pro and anti gun legislators are up for reelection this year.
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  8. #17

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Gay Al View Post
    If I were you guys and gals out in Nevada, I'd start by raising hell with the state legislature. Get THEM to change your state laws on this stuff.

    Here in Michigan, we got BATFE approval saying that any Michigan Concealed Pistol License, issued AFTER Nov. 22, 2005, would pass as a NICS check. But even if it didn't, we go through the fed NICS, not any state system, so we don't have a NICS fee.
    We have, we did and will continue to do so, the Nevada Highway Patrol and Sheriffs association, in cahoots with their gun grabbing brothers at the BATFE tried to pull some shenanigans with the state legislature in regards to gouging CCW holders on new permits and renewals... that they could not sell, rightfully so; and the state legislature ran out of time to pass it this session...
    GUN CONTROL BY BUREAUCRACY is what the BATFE, the Brady Campaign, The Joyce Foundation (Whom Barack Hussein Obama was a member of board for years), The D.C. Mayor and Police Chief, San Francisco, New York, California, Massachusetts, Diane Feinstein, Harry Reid, Chuck Schumer, Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Mitt Romney, The Clintons, Barack Hussein Obama, The Democrats (most), Cops in general and in this case the Nevada Highway Patrol and Nevada sheriffs associations are doing...

    State and Nationwide visibility and knowledge of this is what needs to happen, there are a plethora of people who are not aware of this, and if this is allowed to stand in Nevada unchecked, which state will the BATFE infringe upon next?

    Anybody reading this thread, if you have not done so already, please use the links and info provided in the original post of this thread and voice your outrage and displeasure in regards to this clear and concise Second Amendment Infringement...

    Some related info on Nevada Gun Grabbers:
    Nevada Sheriff's & Police Association opposing Pro-RKBA bill!

    Additional contact info to complain about Gun & CCW infringement:
    Frank Adams
    Executive Director
    Nevada Sheriffs' and Chiefs' Association
    Mesquite, NV
    [email protected]

    Las Vegas
    Nevada Highway Patrol
    4615 West Sunset Road
    Las Vegas, NV 89118
    (702) 486-4100

    Elko
    Nevada Highway Patrol
    3920 East Idaho St.
    Elko, NV 89801
    (775) 753-1111

    Reno
    Nevada Highway Patrol
    357 Hammill Lane
    Reno, NV 89511
    (775) 688-2500

    Headquarters
    Nevada Highway Patrol
    555 Wright Way
    Carson City, NV 89711
    (775) 687-5300

    Reno: Trooper Chuck Allen: [email protected]

    Elko: Trooper Jim Stewart: [email protected]

    Las Vegas: Trooper Kevin Honea: [email protected]

    Headquarters: Lieutenant Charlie Powell: [email protected]

    Contact the Nevada Attorney General:
    http://ag.state.nv.us/about/contact/contact.htm

    http://ag.state.nv.us/about/contact/form.htm

    Email Nevada AG: [email protected]

    Carson City Office:
    Office of the Attorney General
    100 North Carson Street
    Carson City, Nevada 89701-4717
    (775) 684-1100
    Fax - (775) 684-1108

    Reno Office:
    Office of the Attorney General
    5420 Kietzke Lane Suite 202
    Reno, Nevada 89511
    (775) 688-1818
    Fax - (775) 688-1822

    Las Vegas Office:
    Office of the Attorney General
    Grant Sawyer Bldg.
    555 E. Washington Ave Suite 3900
    Las Vegas, Nevada 89101
    (702) 486-3420
    Fax - (702) 486-3768

    Last edited by Bohemian; 07-01-2008 at 10:08 AM.

  9. #18
    Important Information for Nevada’s Right-to-Carry Permit Holders!

    As many of you have been made aware, as of today, Tuesday, July 1, all Nevada CCW permits will no longer qualify as an alternative to a National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) through the Federal Bureau of Investigation. This action is a result of Nevada's loss of exemption due to an audit conducted by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE) in 2004 which uncovered a number of Brady Law violations.

    In 2006, a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) was reached between BATFE and all seventeen of Nevada sheriffs. The MOU specifically addressed the absence of a Nevada law requiring NICS checks to be conducted by all county sheriffs before issuing renewal CCW permits to include a check of the Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) databases for applicants who are not citizens of the United States. During the 2007 legislative session, a measure was introduced to fulfill the MOU agreement but fell victim to political wrangling over permit fee increases and the bill died when the Governor pledged to veto a fee increase of any kind, despite agreements worked out between the interested parties.

    As a result, no legislative fix was passed to correct the audit deficiency and in May of 2008, BATFE issued another edict fulfilling their promise that all Nevada FFL's eliminate Nevada CCW permittees’ NICS exemption effective July 1, 2008.

    NRA has recently learned that the Nevada Sheriffs and Chiefs Association (NVSCA) will be discussing the possibility of asking BATFE for another audit of the Nevada CCW permit process prior to their scheduled July 17 quarterly meeting. According to NVSCA Executive Director Frank Adams, he believes that Nevada could pass a new audit, however, the request to BATFE must be given the green light from all seventeen sheriffs.

    Please take the time to contact your Sheriff immediately and ask that they join with their fellow sheriffs when this matter comes before them! The contact information for your Sheriff, as well as all seventeen, can be found on the Nevada Sheriffs and Chiefs Association website at www.nvsca.com/agency_links.html.

    On another very important note, the NVSCA sub-committee on Nevada CCW will be meeting on Tuesday, August 5 at 1:30 p.m. at the Sawyer Building in Las Vegas. Last year was the first meeting of this kind to be held and was attended by over a hundred NRA members and activists with an interest in the CCW process.

    We are hoping to get even more to attend this meeting where Frank Adams and several NVSCA officers will be on hand to discuss firearms issues. A television link to Carson City will be made available for all who want to attend from northern Nevada (details will follow with more information on the link).

  10. #19
    Here is the text of the email that I sent to Sheriff De Meo of Nye County.

    As you are probably aware, Nevada CWP permit holders have lost the privilege of bypassing the NICS check when purchasing a firearm. This was due to our legislature’s failure to pass a measure introduced to fulfill the memorandum of understanding agreed to between the BATFE and all seventeen Nevada sheriffs. I have learned that the Nevada Sheriffs and Chiefs Association will be discussing the possibility of asking BATFE for another audit of the Nevada CCW permit process prior to their scheduled July 17 quarterly meeting. NVSCA Executive Director Frank Adams believes that Nevada could pass a new audit but the request to BATFE must be given the green light from all seventeen sheriffs. I am writing to ask you to join with your fellow sheriff’s to ask for this audit. Thank you for your time.
    It looks like there is a chance to get it reinstated. I'm blaming this one on our legislature.

  11. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by DarrellM5 View Post
    ...
    It looks like there is a chance to get it reinstated. I'm blaming this one on our legislature.
    NOPE: (Not legislatures fault)

    Nevada Highway Patrol and Nevada Sheriffs Associations AND THE BATFE...

    NHPA & NSA arranged the deal with the BATFE so they could jack up the permit renewals and new renewals... The legislature would not go for raising the permits $100.00's of dollars...

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