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    Quote Originally Posted by SR40c View Post
    Ok... I'll bite. Here is how I would write the law at the Federal, State, and local level.
    Here goes...

    A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

    This of course, AFTER stripping out every single firearms law at every level in existence.
    So any mentally ill, and convicted felons can buy and carry a gun? Not on my watch.
    A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state,
    the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

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    We have perfectly demonstrated WHY the other side wins. We can't even get our **** together to work together to come up with an agreeable comprehensive law.
    Exactly what the gun grabbers want. Division.
    A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state,
    the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kramer1113 View Post
    So any mentally ill, and convicted felons can buy and carry a gun? Not on my watch.
    That's NOT what I said. You asked how I would write the law. I answered the question and I'm sorry if you do not like the answer.

    To me, the answer is very simple. Rather than making anyone and everyone register to exercise their right, they need to create and implement a ban list. Anyone who is a convicted felon would obviously be on that list. At the same time, I too have concerns about mentally ill people having access, but the problem is, as already mentioned, is "who" decides? To be honest, I firmly believe that the people at the federal, state, and local levels that are currently trying to take away our rights are every bit as much of a nut job as Adam Lanza.

    Again, I suggest we scrap all firearms laws. Honor the Constitution as it is written and punish criminals rather than everyone else. Please quit buying in to the Socialist, mainstream media, and Obamabot minions as they attempt to strip us of our rights under the guise of "protecting our children" by creating a solution for a problem that isn't there.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kramer1113 View Post
    We have perfectly demonstrated WHY the other side wins. We can't even get our **** together to work together to come up with an agreeable comprehensive law.
    Exactly what the gun grabbers want. Division.
    The reason they win is because people buy in to the hyperbole they put out. The proof is in the language used...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kramer1113 View Post
    So any mentally ill, and convicted felons can buy and carry a gun? Not on my watch.
    Really? You do realize that the attitude you just expressed is the exact same attitude of "I don't want the people I don't think are "acceptable" to have a gun because I, in my magnificence and superiority am qualified to judge who should be, but most importantly who should NOT be, "allowed"... to have a gun...

    that the anti gunners have about EVERYONE having a gun?

    Again... how about we stop thinking in terms of gun control that doesn't work and think in terms of controlling violent people.. both criminal and mentally ill?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kramer1113 View Post
    We have perfectly demonstrated WHY the other side wins. We can't even get our **** together to work together to come up with an agreeable comprehensive law.
    Exactly what the gun grabbers want. Division.
    Nope... the reason gun owners/carriers and those who say they support the right to bear arms (but really only support if for those they consider "acceptable")... can't come together is because even the gun owners are also gun grabbers. The only difference is who thinks how much gun grabbing is "acceptably enough" gun grabbing. But it is still gun grabbing none the less.

    I can't believe anyone who understands that gun control only controls the law abiding wanting to make more laws that only control the law abiding pretending those laws are going to have any effect on the criminals and nuts.

    Or maybe that is the problem... there are too many people who just do NOT understand that laws do not stop criminals who break the law ... and laws do not stop nuts who are so nuts they don't care about the law.

    Adam Lanza broke something like 41 laws when he went on his murder spree... exactly how would law #42, or law #43, or law #44, have made any difference?

    A question that bothers me to no end:

    Why are so many gun owners blind to the fact that gun control laws aren't intended to control nuts and criminals but are intended to control law abiding.... gun owners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kramer1113 View Post
    We have perfectly demonstrated WHY the other side wins. We can't even get our **** together to work together to come up with an agreeable comprehensive law.
    Exactly what the gun grabbers want. Division.
    The flaw is in the idea that there is an "agreeable comprehensive law" because it is a false premise that a law.. any law regardless of how "agreeable" or "comprehensive".. will actually stop the violent people from getting guns. How many laws do we already have that are supposed to stop criminals and nuts from getting guns? Do criminals and nuts still get guns despite those laws that say they aren't "allowed" to have them?

    All the thousands of laws we already have still haven't stopped criminals and nuts from getting guns why do people think a few thousand more laws, or even an "acceptably agreeable comprehensive law" will suddenly solve the problem... when the laws do not even address the violent people but only address the things they use while being violent.

    Anyone else see the idiocy in that?

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    I have been presenting my position to people I meet face to face who support (doing something just for the sake of doing "something") more gun laws in this manner. I simply ask them this; "Do me a favor... Take number of victims of all the mass shootings since 2004, calculate the percentage of the population effected, then tell me how punishing tens of millions of law abiding gun owners is going to solve any perceived problems..." This usually changes the direction of the conversation.


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    Long video, (25min) but this lady knows her stuff. She has a certain fascination with a couple of James Madison's words though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kramer1113 View Post
    So any mentally ill, and convicted felons can buy and carry a gun? Not on my watch.
    Already law in every state in the union who determines your or my status. If a mental health professional is seeing a mental health professional should he be able to rule on you or my mental health??????????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare45 View Post
    Already law in every state in the union who determines your or my status. If a mental health professional is seeing a mental health professional should he be able to rule on you or my mental health??????????
    I am starting to like this debate again.

    The laws we currently have are not perfect, but tolerable at the Federal Level. Some state laws clearly infringe on the peoples rights.

    I support background checks because those of us who purchase our firearms and undergo a background check are responsible gun owners. We create the very best argument for the freedom to own firearms. When the Gun grabbers look at a statistic that says less than .20% of gun crimes are the result of a legal gun owner, that stat speaks volumes. Without it the claims by the liberal media and others would run rampant and we would have nothing to fall back on.
    Comprehensive reform in the mental illness/wellness is where a huge part of reform must take place. For almost all of us there would be NO change in the current system. But, if your found naked at the mall chasing imaginary pink and blue bunnies, well, things may need to change in your ability to own firearms.
    As a Former Military Police Officer I would like nothing more than to be able to freely walk into any retailer and buy a gun, no questions asked. But there are people I do not want to be able to do that. For me to have that piece of mind I am more than willing to pay my $5.00 wait for the call to be completed before I leave with my gun. Happy, Happy, Happy.

    Who currently rules on your mental health? If you have never been in the "System", then no one is going to rule on your mental health... Maybe friends and family do but that's life!
    I wish we had beautiful naked women parading around open carry style defending our rights like they do against furs, but I don't think that going to happen.
    As a community we have to be able to define what is and is not acceptable for us. When the time comes we have to be able to speak with one voice not a fragmented armed community.
    A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state,
    the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

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