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    This has been going on since before Obama. In fact he was against it when it was a GOP idea. But now that he controls it he's all for violating our rights.
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    It isn't just Verizon. It is all cell phone companies, land lines, emails, internet searches, text messages, credit card transactions, bank transactions, and electronically transmitted photographs. They may not read or look at all electronic data but will store it for future use and look for patterns. An now with the New Utah storage facility are able to store the inconceivable amount of data for decades. It isn't just NSA that has access; it is scores of subcontractors.

    You may feel that you're not effected because you never do anything wrong. I've heard this statement several times today on TV. But cleaver and unscrupulous data analysts can find something and arrange the data in a manner to embarrass or destroy almost anyone. I would be willing to bet that they're blackmailing politicians and anyone that they need to control.

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    We've been using Straight Talk for a while now... we got away from the major carriers, too expensive... but, it appears it has harmed us in other ways. Straight Talk is a division of TracFone which operates on the Verizon network... great.
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    he will be collecting a whole lotta nothing lol i prefer face to face contact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunnerbob View Post
    We've been using Straight Talk for a while now... we got away from the major carriers, too expensive... but, it appears it has harmed us in other ways. Straight Talk is a division of TracFone which operates on the Verizon network... great.
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    Doesn't matter who you pay your bill to. Here is an oversimplified example ...... picture a major 8 lane highway. This would be the digital data stream. There are Fords, Hondas, Chevys, etc., traveling along the highway. Pretend the different manufacturers are equivalent to Verizon, AT&T, etc. The vehicles are different, but essentially doing the same thing. At some point they all encounter a toll booth and must stop and then proceed. The toll booths are the passive optical taps I wrote about in my post #6. Sooner or later everything flows through them. Think about this for a second. Do you only communicate with others using the exact same carrier ? Your communications are handed off countless times and eventually they wind up at one of the aggregation points of a major carrier's facilities. This is why I say Big Brother is grabbing everything.

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    What is really the most stunning fact I have learned from this is not that our beloved government doesn't give a damn about the average citizen or their rights, but that even the people active in the struggle to retain and regain our rights didn't have any suspicion this hasn't been going on since the newer technology, a digital phone system, made this possible. If anything they are just getting more brazen about it, and declaring that what they are doing is legal. Until top officials are tried for their crimes and sent to prison, it will continue unabated.

    This isn't Obama, this is just our government. I really wonder when they take office, what threats they receive behind closed doors to play along with the corrupt to the core system?

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    It's interesting that the news is reporting this is legal because three branches of government signed off on it. Really, so if three branches of government decided to re-write the US Constitution that would also be legal? I guess this could be true as the SCOTUS can re-write an unconstitutional bill from congress to make it constitutional in the courts eyes, in stead of sending it back to make congress re-write and vote on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AC Orange View Post
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    Doesn't matter who you pay your bill to. Here is an oversimplified example ...... picture a major 8 lane highway. This would be the digital data stream. There are Fords, Hondas, Chevys, etc., traveling along the highway. Pretend the different manufacturers are equivalent to Verizon, AT&T, etc. The vehicles are different, but essentially doing the same thing. At some point they all encounter a toll booth and must stop and then proceed. The toll booths are the passive optical taps I wrote about in my post #6. Sooner or later everything flows through them. Think about this for a second. Do you only communicate with others using the exact same carrier ? Your communications are handed off countless times and eventually they wind up at one of the aggregation points of a major carrier's facilities. This is why I say Big Brother is grabbing everything.

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    I believe I have the perfect anti-spy proof phone system. It's 2 soup cans and string. I also like the monthly bill too. I do not like the "limited" service though!

    All kidding aside. If anyone uses a phone (land line or cell) and a computer on line then we are being spied on. I have thought that for a very long time. Looks like us tin foil hat people were RIGHT after all!

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    Maybe a patch in sight.

    It will be difficult to realize any benefit for this action since the prior 6 years has been going on without any public evidence about the programs existence. But if a seizes and desist order can be obtained with court ordered follow up required, just maybe.
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    » ACLU sues Obama administration officials in NSA phone surveillance case » News -- GOPUSA
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    The American Civil Liberties Union's lawsuit in U.S. District Court names National Intelligence Director James Clapper, National Security Agency Director Keith Alexander, Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel, Attorney General Eric Holder and FBI Director Robert Mueller.
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    The ACLU is challenging the phone surveillance program the NSA has pursued under the auspices of the Patriot Act, contending the agency's collection of metadata has violated Americans' constitutional rights of free speech, association and privacy.
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    The suit came a day after the ACLU went to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court seeking the release of secret court opinions on the Patriot Act's Section 215, which has been interpreted to authorize the warrantless collection of phone records.
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    "Collecting those details -- 'metadata' that reveals who people talk to, for how long, how often, and possibly from where -- allows the government to paint an alarmingly detailed picture of Americans' private lives," the ACLU's Brett Max Kaufman said in a statement.
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    "The FISC order cited Section 215 as its legal basis, yet the breadth of the authority it granted to the government is simply incompatible with the text of the statute.
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    For the people who believe this is alright... in the name of security... how many times in history have we watched our government break the law or misuse ANY program? So often it's become commonplace. They're not to be trusted to possess the aggregate data. They are defending this calling it "meta-data." This isn't meta-data. Meta data in its true form is data that describes other data, such as the keywords or title of a web page. No, this is the actual communication data included with the text of the message. It doesn't just describe the text of a phone or email contact, it provides the actual communication paths through the networks. That's not meta-data.
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    If you want to see real meta-data, simply right click your mouse on this page and select "view source." You will see the source code for the web page. At the very top will be the meta-data, which does not show the network paths but merely shows the webpage descriptors, titles and keywords by which it is found in search engines. This is meta-data that describes the contents of the page (data).
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