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    Quote Originally Posted by Stengun View Post
    Howdy gunnerbob,



    So, right after posting this you informed your employer that you would work for a $1.00 an hour without any benefits, vacations, healthcare, etc so he could hire more employees so each employee could do less work, right?

    Paul
    No, I believe in each worker being payed what they're worth... not giving away my money b/c somebody else isn't as good an employee as me. Further, seems you need to study up on business fundamentals, inflationary monetary policy and how they negatively interact with one another. If Micky D's wants to pay it's employees more, great. However, the danger is unions and gov't intervention to include raising the minimum wage (see second sentence).
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    Howdy whodat,

    Quote Originally Posted by whodat2710 View Post
    No, we actually want the government to stay the hell out of business. They are bad at it. Look at our debt. They do things like raising the minimum wage so they can get votes from low-information voters. That same small business owner that keeps paying low-skilled workers minimum wage (with raises for tenure and increased skill) will be more likely to expand and open another franchise, thus producing more jobs, thus creating more revenue for the gub'ment in the form of taxes, etc.
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    In answer to your incessant straw-man argument that we should tell our bosses we will work for free, that is just ignorant. In a piss poor economy, I would be very happy to continue working for the same wage (and have a job) rather than have my employer be forced to pay everyone more with the possibility that I might not be one of them because he can't afford to pay as many people that forced wage.
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    Too bad you can't vote for Obama again huh...
    Like I posted earlier, you want everyone else to work for basically nothing but your not willing to do the same thing.

    More franchises? Yep, just what we need: more minimum wage jobs that mainly employ unskilled/untrained and uneducated workers and illegal aliens.

    How about putting restrictions on China, India, Bangladesh and a few other countries and bring those jobs back to the USA?

    "Made in the USA" that should be Our "Battle Cry".

    I understand that a lot of the members on this forum work fast food and other minimum wage jobs and would welcome a new franchise being built in their area.

    Since I live in rural Arkansas and the nearest McD's is 18 miles away I would like a franchise built a littler closer to my house, but not too close, it would be too tempting to swing through the drive through after work. :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stengun View Post
    Howdy whodat,



    Like I posted earlier, you want everyone else to work for basically nothing but your not willing to do the same thing. This is your interpretation of other's words...

    More franchises? Yep, just what we need: more minimum wage jobs that mainly employ unskilled/untrained and uneducated workers and illegal aliens. Well, until the strangle hold on AmeriKan businesses is loosened, you will see nothing but minimum wage service jobs.

    How about putting restrictions on China, India, Bangladesh and a few other countries and bring those jobs back to the USA? Won't do any good until AmeriKan business is allowed to function in a true free-market, Capitalistic nation... this is the root of the issue. Restricting foreign imports isn't the solution, stengun.

    "Made in the USA" that should be Our "Battle Cry". Among many others, yes.

    I understand that a lot of the members on this forum work fast food and other minimum wage jobs and would welcome a new franchise being built in their area.

    Since I live in rural Arkansas and the nearest McD's is 18 miles away I would like a franchise built a littler closer to my house, but not too close, it would be too tempting to swing through the drive through after work. :) Hehe...

    Paul
    See my replies in bold'n blue. Our employment problems are not "skin deep" as many would like to believe but, in fact go much deeper and involve a more complex system of gov't intervention and malpractice. It must all be brought to an end for us to once again flourish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stengun View Post
    Howdy whodat,



    Like I posted earlier, you want everyone else to work for basically nothing but your not willing to do the same thing. No, but anyone that expects a raise while the economy is circling the bowl is an idiot.

    More franchises? Yep, just what we need: more minimum wage jobs that mainly employ unskilled/untrained and uneducated workers and illegal aliens. I haven't seen many illegals in fast food. Until we can get people to start graduating high school, having met the basic requirements of being able to read, write, and do math we are going to have those same uneducated/unskilled/untrained people having two choices: Minimum wage or Welfare.

    How about putting restrictions on China, India, Bangladesh and a few other countries and bring those jobs back to the USA? Great idea, let's fix it! It has nothing to do with minimum wage, but whatever.

    "Made in the USA" that should be Our "Battle Cry". And until the unions got completely out of control it was a great one. Once we started paying unskilled factory workers $30/hr to install the same 3 pop rivets on an item for 8-10 hrs, the prices became uncompetitive. American made use to mean the best at the best price. How did that change? The Gubment got involved with business. Unions are nothing but a super-PAC now for funding democrats. Get rid of them and everything will start to get better.

    I understand that a lot of the members on this forum work fast food and other minimum wage jobs and would welcome a new franchise being built in their area. Really? how are you figuring that? Because many of these posts disagree with your opinion?

    Since I live in rural Arkansas and the nearest McD's is 18 miles away I would like a franchise built a littler closer to my house, but not too close, it would be too tempting to swing through the drive through after work. :) I'm not a fan of fast food unless I am travelling, but when I do stop I like to see young kids working, learning customer service and responsibility, learning what it is supposed to mean to earn a dollar, and preparing to be a contributing part of our society as they get older.Paul
    Since you live in a rural area, a teenager looking to earn some extra cash doesn't really need a fast food oppiortunity like an inner city kid would. I think in rural areas more kids know the meaning of hard work and the value of a dollar. Not many lawns to mow in the big city, so the kids need someplace to start.
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    That is what minimum wage jobs are supposed to be for, for kids to earn some spending cash while they still live at home, not to comfortably support a family of 4. This goes back to education and personal responsibility. When it became cool to live on welfare and food stamps, we lost. When it became so profitable to be on welfare and food stamps that the recipients couldn't afford to get a job, we lost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stengun View Post
    Howdy BC1,

    For starters the contractor should be in jail for employee illegal aliens.
    Two years ago I had a 24'x30' shop built at my house and I used a contractor that only uses US Citizens. I had to pass on the first two because they only used illegals.
    It's just a matter of morals, values, ethics and principles.
    We don't know they were illegal. They may very well be legal residents. He's THE most reputable roofer in the region. Gave me 10 pages of references and beat everyone else's proposal. Very profssional. The tinwork was flawless. There are some professions, such as commercial construction, where unions train their members at a much higher standard. Their work is better. But you wouldn't use union labor to build your house would you?
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    Generally speaking, principals don't feed the bulldog. The best contractor with the best reputation and best price gets the job. To me this is business, nothing more. Immigration problems are the fault and the responsibility of the government. Not my problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stengun View Post
    Howdy whodat,

    Like I posted earlier, you want everyone else to work for basically nothing but your not willing to do the same thing.
    Here's a perspective fer ya...
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    I start a business. I risk my savings, house, future, retirement... everything. I put in 80 hour weeks. Some nights I sleep on the couch in my office... too late to commute home. I don't take a salary for a long time because I dump everything into growing that business. In doing this I place my family at risk... because self-employment and entrepreneurship is entirely about risk. After some time the business becomes successful. Now, I have employees that perform a certain skill. I pay them in accordance with their skills, education and effectiveness for my org. I reward their accomplishments. If they don't perform they're replaced... because that's business. It's purely economics. I'm not in the humanitarian or charity business. Now someone wants to tell me that I'm required to pay him more money. He wants to share in the fruits of my labor. He wants to benefit from the risks I took. He has no real skills. No trade. He has no education. But now I have to pay him more because he can't make a living wage. In this screwed-up world of socialism that's not his fault, it's mine. He could seek employment elsewhere but doesn't. And that's not his fault, it's mine. He could go school at night. It would help him move-up in the company. He even gets free tuition. But he doesn't. And it' not his fault, it's mine. He could strike-out on his own... start his own business. But he doesn't. And it's my fault. I started this remember? Didn't get to little league tonight. Or to that dance recital. Missed the family birthday party. I worked. Where was he?
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