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    Letter of the Law

    Did Liberals and Democrats suddenly start following the Law? If so, I didn't get that notification.

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  3. Saw on the local news tonight that the Clarksville School District is going ahead with their plans, as they have all the legal documents necessary to proceed. Arkansas AG McDaniel and others have demanded that a list of all the "protectors" be submitted to all media outlets. That information is readily available with an FOIA search, and the Superintendent has refused to make a media circus as AG McDaniel desires (it may become a circus anyway, as the media peruse the FOIA info). The Superintendent will give a list to any parents who ask for it, and many, of course want to know. No problem.

    Ironically, Arkansas' CHCL permit information is no longer FOIA material, and ASP records were sealed per the law, but not before at least one left wing media outlet got all the information before it was sealed and printed it in their online media. The fallout from that last act of media defiance was swift, and decisive. The media outlet apologized, somewhat, and took the info offline:

    http://http://www.arkansasbusiness.c...z-editors-note

    It's good to see Clarksville School District "bucking the bozo" (McDaniel), but who knows what the next ploy of the AG will be? Stay tuned, same bat time, same bat channel!

    I wouldn't put it past McDaniel to enlist our dear CIC's perverted distortion of law, and grovel to get him involved to get this "common sense" program slammed. With McDaniel's sex scandal and him leaving office, it's an unknown. This could be a model for schools nationwide, or it could be obliterated by ignorant, quaking antis, led by our socialist dictator, who have no interest in protecting our kids in schools, where madmen target because of the sitting duck gun free zones.

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    This something different.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stengun View Post
    Howdy,



    More BS from Faux Noise.

    Arkansas has a State Law that says no one has the right to know who has a CHCL. The list of people with a CHCL can NOT be releases to the public under any circumstance.

    Paul
    Not so, but the AG is going after the licensing that they received as a security guard.
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    Attorney General Dustin McDaniel said in an advisory opinion that the Clarksville School District was incorrect to withhold the names of the employees it had trained to work as volunteer, armed security guards. McDaniel last week said that the state board in charge of regulating private investigators was wrong to license the western Arkansas district as a private security firm under a little-known law the school had used to arm its employees.

    Read more: Ark. attorney general says school must name teachers in gun program | Fox News
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    So this has nothing to do specifically with their CHL and is not considered exempt under that regulation.
    Last edited by dogshawred; 08-07-2013 at 02:35 PM. Reason: phrasing
    I'd rather be a Conservative Nutjob. Than a Liberal with NO Nuts & NO Job

  5. Anyone who wants the names of the teachers/staff who are licensed trained security guards may obtain that information through the FOIA. There is no "hiding" their identities. McDork wants to turn this into a media circus. He could have simply said anyone who wants the information may get the information from the above source, but NNOOO! Media circus time! Parents who want that information may ask the district for a list of names, and they will get it. There is no cloak and dagger politics here as McDork is implying with his demands.

    Then you have the quaking antis who don't want their kids in a classroom where they will be protected. Saw one of them on the news tonight. The ignorance and emotion seem to push common sense and reason to the back of the room. Of course it was an uninformed, low information mother.

    So, the wheels are in motion to vilify the district's answer to keep kids safe. Ignorance and emotion may trump safety and security in the weeks ahead. We shall see!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stengun View Post
    Howdy JJ,

    Like I posted in the other thread, this may seem like a lot of training to a person with little or no formal training, but in reality it is very, very little training. The "Armed Security Guard" training has more to do with guarding a factory, business, etc. and the legal aspect of being a security guard than it does with clearing a classroom with an active shooter in the school building, or engaging an active shooter in a crowded classroom or hallway.

    I've spent many, many hours, weeks, months and even years doing CQB drills while I was in the military and as a Gov't employee and contractor and 53 hours of "intensive training" for someone with the "mindset" and "demeanor" to be a school teacher isn't adequate.

    Hire school teachers to teach and hire gunslingers to tote a gun. If the teachers want to be a gunslinger they need to be properly trained.

    Paul
    Hi, Paul,

    Send em to Front Sights 4-5 day defensive handgun course (I understand that FS offers to train any teachers for free). At the end of this initial training, anybody with half a head on their shoulders and reasonable physical skills WILL be better trained than most security types I know (cops, too). Of course, training doesn't stop there, since this is all a "perishable skill". But, it'd be a helluva start...and I'd feel comfortable with anyone passing that training with an advanced certificate keeping on eye out for my kids.

    Jack
    Prov. 27:3 - "Stone is heavy and sand a burden, but provocation by a fool is heavier than both"

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    Howdy JJ,

    Quote Originally Posted by JJFlash View Post
    Hi, Paul,

    Send em to Front Sights 4-5 day defensive handgun course (I understand that FS offers to train any teachers for free). At the end of this initial training, anybody with half a head on their shoulders and reasonable physical skills WILL be better trained than most security types I know (cops, too). Of course, training doesn't stop there, since this is all a "perishable skill". But, it'd be a helluva start...and I'd feel comfortable with anyone passing that training with an advanced certificate keeping on eye out for my kids.

    Jack
    Now you're talking!

    FS could easily design a training program that specifically targeted ( no pun intended ) the type of threat that teachers would face with an active shooter on campus.

    I'm all for arming teachers and staff members but I feel they need special or specific training to deal with an active shooter because of all the kids/innocent bystander(s) that could be shoo during a shootout.

    Look at the war in Iraq and the number of US Soldiers that have been killed or wounded by friendly fire.

    McDaniel will be gone in 2014.

    In fact, I'm going to start making a few phone calls and writing emails to see if we can get rid of him sooner.

    Paul
    I'm so Liberal that I work at the Bill and Hillary Clinton Regional Airport!

  8. just heard on the news that a panel of lawmakers ruled that private security guards cannot double as teachers and staff, or vice versa. Their private company should have been deemed legal to do so, but the lawmakers said no. They had no problem with guards who were not teachers and staff, but doing both, they shot-down (pun intended).

    So, the saga continues, unfortunately. Our kids are unsafe in gun-free zones thanks to Democratic lawmakers, as of today, unless they want to hire outside armed security guards.

    I knew that this was coming, the instant I heard Clarksville was going to protect their kids with staff. It was given in plain language; guard or teacher, not both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r1derbike View Post
    just heard on the news that a panel of lawmakers ruled that private security guards cannot double as teachers and staff, or vice versa. Their private company should have been deemed legal to do so, but the lawmakers said no. They had no problem with guards who were not teachers and staff, but doing both, they shot-down (pun intended).

    So, the saga continues, unfortunately. Our kids are unsafe in gun-free zones thanks to Democratic lawmakers, as of today, unless they want to hire outside armed security guards.

    I knew that this was coming, the instant I heard Clarksville was going to protect their kids with staff. It was given in plain language; guard or teacher, not both.
    That figures. You'd think someone could think "outside the box" when it is kids' welfare and safety that is at stake...but, no. Bet if it meant money in the pockets of some of these politician scum, you'd see change...and right quick, too.
    Prov. 27:3 - "Stone is heavy and sand a burden, but provocation by a fool is heavier than both"

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    Our children are told, we as adults are told to think outside the box, to expand our way of doing things away from the status quo. Now that a school district has done just that in an attempt to utilize those funds at their disposal. NO this is not acceptable under the law, well the law is not acceptable, get out of the way of our school administrators trying to protect our future generations.
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    The concept of government big or small trying to control EVERYTHING is what is UNACCEPTABLE and has to change. We the people who elect everyone must make the change to in our government big or small to allow the every day man/woman think on their own, out side of the box if you will...... to be back in control of their own lives.
    I'd rather be a Conservative Nutjob. Than a Liberal with NO Nuts & NO Job

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    Quote Originally Posted by dogshawred View Post
    Our children are told, we as adults are told to think outside the box, to expand our way of doing things away from the status quo. Now that a school district has done just that in an attempt to utilize those funds at their disposal. NO this is not acceptable under the law, well the law is not acceptable, get out of the way of our school administrators trying to protect our future generations.
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    The concept of government big or small trying to control EVERYTHING is what is UNACCEPTABLE and has to change. We the people who elect everyone must make the change to in our government big or small to allow the every day man/woman think on their own, out side of the box if you will...... to be back in control of their own lives.
    Very well put. Those libs keep preaching things like "think outside the box" but when people do and have a remedy that is different than they want, they get upset and try to put down creative thinking. I find many teachers tend to do this too if they don't agree with the solution. Elect those who really are open to solutions.
    Dave "The said Constitution shall never be construed...to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms." Samuel Adams

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