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    Post 8 Reasons Why Rome Fell, and So Will We

    Reading another post on here got me thinking, and did a little research, and some of the things I have found, are somewhat frightening. The similarities between America and "the way of Rome" are chilling. Makes you think of where were headed. Its time for people to wake up and stop watching the biased news networks. Maybe were a little too content now days. Tell me what you think.

    This is what caused Rome to fall, and what will cause us to fall, as were already at an uncomfortable angle, and will inevitably cause us to fall too:

    1. Staggering Increase in the Cost of Elections, with Dubious Campaign Funding Sources: Our 2012 election reportedly cost $3 billion. All of it was raised from private sources – often creating the appearance, or the reality, that our leaders are beholden to special interest groups. During the late Roman Republic, elections became staggeringly expensive, with equally deplorable results. Caesar reportedly borrowed so heavily for one political campaign, he feared he would be ruined, if not elected.

    2. Politics as the Road to Personal Wealth: During the late Roman Republic period, one of the main roads to wealth was holding public office, and exploiting such positions to accumulate personal wealth. As Lessig notes: Congressman, Senators and their staffs leverage their government service to move to private sector positions – that pay three to ten times their government compensation. Given this financial arrangement, “Their focus is therefore not so much on the people who sent them to Washington. Their focus is instead on those who will make them rich.”

    3.Continuous War: A national state of security arises, distracting attention from domestic challenges with foreign wars. Similar to the late Roman Republic, the US – for the past 100 years — has either been fighting a war, recovering from a war, or preparing for a new war: WW I (1917-18), WW II (1941-1945), Cold War (1947-1991), Korean War (1950-1953), Vietnam (1953-1975), Gulf War (1990-1991), Afghanistan (2001-ongoing), and Iraq (2003-2011). And, this list is far from complete.

    4.Foreign Powers Lavish Money/Attention on the Republic’s Leaders: Foreign wars lead to growing influence, by foreign powers and interests, on the Republic’s political leaders — true for Rome and true for us. In the past century, foreign embassies, agents and lobbyists have proliferated in our nation’s capital. As one specific example: A foreign businessman donated $100 million to Bill Clinton‘s various activities. Clinton “opened doors” for him, and sometimes acted in ways contrary to stated American interests and foreign policy.

    5.Profits Made Overseas Shape the Republic’s Internal Policies: As the fortunes of Rome’s aristocracy increasingly derived from foreign lands, Roman policy was shaped to facilitate these fortunes. American billionaires and corporations increasingly influence our elections. In many cases, they are only nominally American – with interests not aligned with those of the American public. For example, Fox News is part of international media group News Corp., with over $30 billion in revenues worldwide. Is Fox News’ jingoism a product of News Corp.’s non-U.S. interests?

    6.Collapse of the Middle Class: In the period just before the Roman Republic’s fall, the Roman middle class was crushed — destroyed by cheap overseas slave labor. In our own day, we’ve witnessed rising income inequality, a stagnating middle class, and the loss of American jobs to overseas workers who are paid less and have fewer rights.

    Political Power Grabbing:
    7.Gerrymandering: Rome’s late Republic used various methods to reduce the power of common citizens. The GOP has so effectively gerrymandered Congressional districts that, even though House Republican candidates received only about 48 percent of the popular vote in the 2012 election — they ended up with the majority (53 percent) of the seats.

    8.Loss of the Spirit of Compromise: The Roman Republic, like ours, relied on a system of checks and balances. Compromise is needed for this type of system to function. In the end, the Roman Republic lost that spirit of compromise, with politics increasingly polarized between Optimates (the rich, entrenched elites) and Populares (the common people). Sound familiar? Compromise is in noticeably short supply in our own time also. For example, “There were more filibusters between 2009 and 2010 than there were in the 1950s, 1960s and 1970s combined.”

    As Benjamin Franklin observed, we have a Republic — but only if we can keep it.
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    As many schools don't teach history or they teach a revised form of history to fit the PC mold, it's very likely history will repeat itself.
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    8 Reasons Why Rome Fell, and So Will We

    Great thread. Think you might be a little late. I think our government officials have had those 8 rules for a few years now!!!

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    It is really pathetic that we can not learn from history, but instead repeat history.
    Even though I walk through the valley of the Shadow of Death, I will fear no Evil, for YOU are with me; Remington 44 Mag:

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    The difference is the USA managed to do it in 1/1000 of the time.

    Human hierarchy will never learn from history.

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    History, what history. When was the last time anyone heard about the Ottoman Empire as it relates to day?
    "The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities." --author and philosopher Ayn Rand (1905-1982)

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    I have been saying for years that we would follow like that, but didn't have the talent to put it into words as great as you did.

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    America is finished.

    We as a nation have turned our back on God. We have kicked Him out of our schools and out of the public arena. We have declared Him to be off-limits. We have given the boot to the very One who made us great and showered us with blessings. We are in the process of becoming a thoroughly secular and pagan nation. And in the process, we are courting the wrath of God. Remember the promise to fundamentally transform America? Well it’s happening. From a Constitutional Republic to part of a one world totalitarian government─destined to be ruled by the Antichrist. In simple terms, it is the illegal overthrow of our form of government by those within the government. They are globalists and elitists who have no allegiance to you, this country, the Constitution or to God. The rules of decency and fair play that you live by don’t exist with these people. The U.S. is being purposefully and methodically destroyed. These are all Signs of the End of the Age & this Last Generation, signs that our society willfully continues to ignore.

    A Few More Reasons Why We Fell.

    Since 1973, we have murdered our babies in their mothers' wombs at the rate of 4,000 a day, totaling nearly 60 million, and their blood cries out for vengeance.
    We consume more than one-half of all the illegal drugs produced in the world, yet we constitute only 5% of the world's population.

    We spend $2.8 billion dollars per year on Internet pornography, which is more than half the world total of $4.9 billion.

    Our rate of cohabiting partners has increased tenfold since 1960, totaling over 12 million unmarried partners today.

    Our divorce rate is the highest of any nation in the world.

    Forty percent of our children are born to unmarried women.

    We spend over $100 billion per year on gambling.

    Our number one drug problem is alcohol, producing over 17.6 million adults who are alcoholics or who have alcohol problems.

    Our nation has become a debt junkie, leading the world in both government debt and personal debt.

    Blasphemy of God's name, His Word, and His Son has become commonplace in our media.

    We are the moral polluter of planet earth through the distribution of our immoral, violent and blasphemous television programs and movies.

    We have forsaken the nation of Israel, demanding that they surrender their heartland and divide their capital city.

    We have become a nation that calls good evil and evil good. And we are paying the price:

    Our schools have become arenas of deadly violence.

    Our prison population is increasing exponentially, from 500,000 in 1980 to over 2.5 million today. Over 7.2 million of our people are under some form of correctional supervision.

    Over 1.5 million of our women are reported victims of domestic violence each year, and it is estimated that the majority of cases are never reported.

    We are currently averaging over 3 million child abuse cases each year, involving 6 million children.

    We experience more than 12 million crimes every year, more than any other nation in the world.

    Teen violence has increased exponentially, with youngsters killing each other over tennis shoes.

    Gangs are terrorizing our cities.

    Even the nicest of our neighborhoods are no longer safe, requiring us to protect our homes with security systems and weapons.

    Our money is becoming increasingly worthless.

    Our economy is being choked to death by a pile of debt that is beyond comprehension.

    Our major corporations and labor unions are in bondage to greed.

    Our society has become deeply divided, splintered among competing groups defined by racial, religious and economic factors.

    Our families are being destroyed by an epidemic of divorce.

    Our entertainment industry consists of vulgarians amusing barbarians.

    Our universities and media outlets are controlled by radical leftists who hold God in contempt.

    Our federal government has become top-heavy with bureaucrats who are insensitive to taxpayers.

    Our politicians have become more concerned with power than service.

    All levels of government have become increasingly oppressive, seeking to regulate every aspect of our lives.

    Taxation has become confiscatory in nature.

    Our legal system has been hijacked by activists who desire to impose their will on the people, regardless of what the people desire.

    Our freedom of speech is being threatened by "hate crime" legislation and political correctness.

    Our forms of sports are becoming increasingly violent, reminiscent of the gladiators of ancient Rome.

    Our society has become star-stuck, more interested in celebrities than people of integrity.

    Our churches are caught up in an epidemic of apostasy as they set aside the Word of God in an effort to cozy up to the world and gain its approval.

    We are experiencing one major natural disaster after another in unprecedented volume and ferocity.

    We have become afflicted with a plague of sexual perversion, producing an army of hard core militant homosexuals.

    In summary, we are a people who have become desensitized to sin, and in the process, we have forgotten how to blush.

    You Reap What You Sow, More Than What You Sow, Later Than You Sow
    But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel that is different from the one we preached to you, may he be condemned to HELL!
    (Galatians 1:8)

  10. Time flies. I had no idea it was time for this again. I think I'm starting to understand where the "groundhog day" idea came from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nosreme View Post
    Time flies. I had no idea it was time for this again. I think I'm starting to understand where the "groundhog day" idea came from.
    Ever think that it's being repeated because most don't understand or comprehend the message? Flippant responses like this are just that. Nice to see someone reference a make believe , Hollywood, response then try to understand the content of the message.
    If you have a point to disagree upon then please do, if not why post......OR is the reply part of the "Ground Hog day" reference. People repeatedly post derogative comments yet do not substantiate with follow up rebuttal just frivolous comments?
    "The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities." --author and philosopher Ayn Rand (1905-1982)

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