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    Howdy,

    I hate to break the news to the Kool-Aide drinkers but the vast majority of Americans do in fact want AHA, aka ObamaCare.

    This is evident by the fact that Obama beat the Bishop by a landslide back in November.

    Pretty simple.

    AHA doesn't have any effect on myself because I already have healthcare insurance and as a Disabled Combat Veteran I use the VA's medical system which meets all the requirements under AHA.

    If you're a Veteran, use the VAMC and you'll be covered.

    Paul
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stengun View Post
    Howdy,

    I hate to break the news to the Kool-Aide drinkers but the vast majority of Americans do in fact want AHA, aka ObamaCare.

    Paul
    You sir, are so full of .... I mean, really...???

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    The Affordable Care Act is the Trojan horse to tyranny.

    Bill Wilson
    Just the last in a long line of Trojan horses Brother Bill. A very long line.

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    As much as I hate it, the liberals bring up a confounding point. It is a law. I personally think they are going about fixing it in the wrong way. They are fighting to de-fund or postpone it. That is all the Pelosi's of the world need to convince the low info voters that the conservatives want to shut down the government and kill grandma, babies and homeless people. The sheeple will believe this.
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    It is gonna hurt unless it can be repealed, and while Obummer is in office and this is his "legacy" and his "landmark legislation" (or in other words the only thing he has actually accomplished) it ain't gonna happen. What they need to do is fight his illegal actions regarding postponing the employer mandate until after the 2014 elections (while not postponing the whole thing) and his exemptions and subsidies granted for his buddies.
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    It's gonna hurt, and we need to make sure it hurts for everyone "equally" (he should love the socialism in that). If something hurts you do what is needed to heal it. If it doesn't hurt those in power or those with friends in power then nothing is going to change. If the sheeple don't feel the pain by 2014, there is a 50/50 chance that the dems take over the House, then that's the ball game and we will have 2 years of unopposed tyrannical rule.
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    They all know it isn't gonna work, they just hope we don't notice.
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    I get real tired of hearing it's the law of the land. Slavery was the law of the land. Parking you car on the side of the road when you met a horse rider was the law of the land. Laws can be changed and/or repealed. Obama care is bad law, unconstitutional and changed unconstitutionally to make it appear constitutional.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fuhr52 View Post
    I get real tired of hearing it's the law of the land. Slavery was the law of the land. Parking you car on the side of the road when you met a horse rider was the law of the land. Laws can be changed and/or repealed. Obama care is bad law, unconstitutional and changed unconstitutionally to make it appear constitutional.
    You obviously didn't actually read my post. Yes it is a bad law, and what they are trying to do is not the way to actually go about repealing it.
    Chief

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    Quote Originally Posted by whodat2710 View Post
    As much as I hate it, the liberals bring up a confounding point. It is a law. I personally think they are going about fixing it in the wrong way. They are fighting to de-fund or postpone it. That is all the Pelosi's of the world need to convince the low info voters that the conservatives want to shut down the government and kill grandma, babies and homeless people. The sheeple will believe this.
    -
    It is gonna hurt unless it can be repealed, and while Obummer is in office and this is his "legacy" and his "landmark legislation" (or in other words the only thing he has actually accomplished) it ain't gonna happen. What they need to do is fight his illegal actions regarding postponing the employer mandate until after the 2014 elections (while not postponing the whole thing) and his exemptions and subsidies granted for his buddies.
    -
    It's gonna hurt, and we need to make sure it hurts for everyone "equally" (he should love the socialism in that). If something hurts you do what is needed to heal it. If it doesn't hurt those in power or those with friends in power then nothing is going to change. If the sheeple don't feel the pain by 2014, there is a 50/50 chance that the dems take over the House, then that's the ball game and we will have 2 years of unopposed tyrannical rule.
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    They all know it isn't gonna work, they just hope we don't notice.
    You sir, are absolutely right. The House, while they DO have the "power of the purse" under the Constitution, they don't have the stones to actually implement that power. Instead, they should "require" that the Constitution be followed in implementation of this POS law. They should file suit after suit and go as far as the Supreme Court to force Obama to implement the law in it's entirety....NOW!!! it will fail under it's own weight and only then, will the sheeple that voted for Obama feel the pain and realize that there are consequences for their poor decision making.

    Further, the fact that the US Senate will not listen to or debate the issue means that we are "unrepresented" by our "elected officials". I'm sure most people do not know that the Constitution calls for the House to be elected, while the Senate is appointed by the State Legislature. In the case of NY, most of the state is a conservative 'red' state, and one of our houses, I believe the one that would choose the US Senators, is 'red'...which would mean that Schumer and his talking doll(when Schumer pulls the string in her back, her lips move and his words come out), Gillibrand could be replaced for someone who actually "represents" the majority of the states districts, not the major population centers.

    This "law" needs to be FULLY implemented...including making the House and Senate (and all their staffers who Obama has granted a 75% premium subsidy) be covered without exemption. Only then will Obama and the Dems who passed it "to see what was in it" see what a piece of crap they created. Just another example of the Ruling Class (Govt) being exempt from the laws that us, the Great Unwashed are subjected to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stengun View Post
    Howdy,

    I hate to break the news to the Kool-Aide drinkers but the vast majority of Americans do in fact want AHA, aka ObamaCare.

    This is evident by the fact that Obama beat the Bishop by a landslide back in November.

    Pretty simple.

    AHA doesn't have any effect on myself because I already have healthcare insurance and as a Disabled Combat Veteran I use the VA's medical system which meets all the requirements under AHA.

    If you're a Veteran, use the VAMC and you'll be covered.

    Paul
    You have it all wrong....The Vast Majority of voters didn't vote based on Obamacare.... they voted for "Santa Clause" instead of the "Scrooge"!!! The Obama campaign, with the help of the "State controlled media" did a good job of shaping the discussion of how Romney would take everything away, so you would actually have to take back at least a sliver of personal responsibility versus Santa Obama bringing gifts and leaving them under your tree. So the 50+% of the people receiving some sort of benefits say....let me see.... "I can vote for Santa and continue receiving "gifts" or I can vote to become Santa myself"....hmmmm, which do you think they voted for? Obamacare was only part of the "gift box"....until they too realize they will have to pay!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrs View Post
    You sir, are absolutely right. The House, while they DO have the "power of the purse" under the Constitution, they don't have the stones to actually implement that power. Instead, they should "require" that the Constitution be followed in implementation of this POS law. They should file suit after suit and go as far as the Supreme Court to force Obama to implement the law in it's entirety....NOW!!! it will fail under it's own weight and only then, will the sheeple that voted for Obama feel the pain and realize that there are consequences for their poor decision making.
    I understand and agree with most of your post, but there's a problem with the above-bolded part. The same Supreme Court that went beyond its constitutional authority by rewriting a fine into a tax to make ObamaCare "constitutional," is the same court that has the real authority to accept or reject any case it doesn't wish to hear. In other words, no other ObamaCare case is ever going to be heard at the Supreme Court in our lifetimes. The only possible exception to that might be if a lower court rules some significant provision unconstitutional, and SCOTUS accepts the appeal in order to protect its own ruling from last year. It's a fait accompli. SCOTUS is as much a part of the NWO as both Bushies, Obama and all the rest. This is not a functional republic anymore. It's an oligarchy, and no wishful thinking about voting or SCOTUS coming in to save the day is going to change that. There is no way at all to fix any of this within the system. It's over.

    Blues
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    Quote Originally Posted by whodat2710 View Post
    You obviously didn't actually read my post. Yes it is a bad law, and what they are trying to do is not the way to actually go about repealing it.
    I read your post. I just get tired of it's the law of the land so there's nothing we can do about it. I also get tired of the double standard liberals play out. If a republican pushed unpopular bad law, the left and the main stream media would be hammering them on a daily basis. But we have a black democrat president so bend over and take it other wise you are a racist.
    "You can get a lot accomplished if you don't care who gets the credit" - Ronald Reagan

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