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    Quote Originally Posted by gunnerbob View Post
    Specifically speaking of the part I put in bold, does anything about it make you at all uneasy or distrustful? Just curious...
    What would be a better source? If I get info from a .gov site, I'll grant you that the gov is not always right and not always honest. But for the purpose of knowing statistical information on voting... do you really think .com site blogs from anonymous internet people are likely more accurate or honest? You want to trust the same sort of people that give you "Martian hunters hunted dinosaurs to extinction" and whatnot? Yes, for sure... take everything with a grain of salt... even .gov. Never turn your head off and just believe. But as a general rule, I'll take the .gov before some anonymous guy I don't know's blog.
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    regarding the costs of obtaining ID, this is a canard thrown up by the leftists, for one thing ID is needed to get EBT benefits, to buy liquor or cigarettes, to drive a car, to get a job, to get on a commercial airplane, to stay in a hotel room, to open a bank account, to cash a check and on and on and I cannot think of anyone who is not able to obtain some sort of ID.
    Here in FLA where photo ID is required to vote in person the polling stations will accept almost any kind of photo ID, such as driver's license, state issued ID, weapons permits, work IDs, passports and even costco cards. THERE IS NO VIABLE EXCUSE not to require photo ID in order for someone to vote
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    Quote Originally Posted by apvbguy View Post
    regarding the costs of obtaining ID, this is a canard thrown up by the leftists, for one thing ID is needed to get EBT benefits, to buy liquor or cigarettes, to drive a car, to get a job, to get on a commercial airplane, to stay in a hotel room, to open a bank account, to cash a check and on and on and I cannot think of anyone who is not able to obtain some sort of ID.
    Here in FLA where photo ID is required to vote in person the polling stations will accept almost any kind of photo ID, such as driver's license, state issued ID, weapons permits, work IDs, passports and even costco cards. THERE IS NO VIABLE EXCUSE not to require photo ID in order for someone to vote
    Nope. Don't you realize you are going against the Liberal Left (Socialist) talking heads who decry voter registration as totally illegal, racist and a program only to disenfranchise minorities? Just how do you expect the Democrats to hold on to their power if you try to make all of their activities illegal? Next thing you will want is for Nancy Pelosi to take an IQ test! That, "they" think, would be UnAmerican and cause to have real Americans either exiled to Lower Slobbovia or beheaded! Surely you would want to re-think your position!

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    Quote Originally Posted by apvbguy View Post
    regarding the costs of obtaining ID, this is a canard thrown up by the leftists, for one thing ID is needed to get EBT benefits, to buy liquor or cigarettes, to drive a car, to get a job, to get on a commercial airplane, to stay in a hotel room, to open a bank account, to cash a check and on and on and I cannot think of anyone who is not able to obtain some sort of ID.
    Here in FLA where photo ID is required to vote in person the polling stations will accept almost any kind of photo ID, such as driver's license, state issued ID, weapons permits, work IDs, passports and even costco cards. THERE IS NO VIABLE EXCUSE not to require photo ID in order for someone to vote
    Ok... So long as we aren't starting a new thread next week about some dude that voted with 5 different costco cards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aacx22 View Post
    What would be a better source? If I get info from a .gov site, I'll grant you that the gov is not always right and not always honest. But for the purpose of knowing statistical information on voting... do you really think .com site blogs from anonymous internet people are likely more accurate or honest? You want to trust the same sort of people that give you "Martian hunters hunted dinosaurs to extinction" and whatnot? Yes, for sure... take everything with a grain of salt... even .gov. Never turn your head off and just believe. But as a general rule, I'll take the .gov before some anonymous guy I don't know's blog.
    I just wanted to know that you know that there may be misinformation presented by government sources, much as any other source and that everything should be viewed accordingly. Everyone and everything has their/it's own motives and when it comes to those motives of those in charge, I'm always extremely skeptical. The government has everything to gain from individuals believing what it says, on the largest and at times most horrific scales. Individuals, bloggers or any other potentially independent source has far less an impact and specifically far less of an opportunity to gain from the coercion of individuals on a scale large enough to truly impact the lives of so many people, especially in a destructive way. Specifically, why would the government tell the truth about voter statistics? Again, just curious as to your opinion...
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    Quote Originally Posted by gunnerbob View Post
    I just wanted to know that you know that there may be misinformation presented by government sources, much as any other source and that everything should be viewed accordingly. Everyone and everything has their/it's own motives and when it comes to those motives of those in charge, I'm always extremely skeptical. The government has everything to gain from individuals believing what it says, on the largest and at times most horrific scales. Individuals, bloggers or any other potentially independent source has far less an impact and specifically far less of an opportunity to gain from the coercion of individuals on a scale large enough to truly impact the lives of so many people, especially in a destructive way. Specifically, why would the government tell the truth about voter statistics? Again, just curious as to your opinion...
    In part because the government is not one sentient being. It's made up of about 2.8M people. Of these, some are honest, some are crooked, and most are somewhere in the middle... probably in roughly the same breakdown as non gov employees. There is value in having real metrics that can be tracked over the years and decades. I'd like to think that people in general try to do the best job they can. Government entities are the only ones (that I am aware of) that have direct access to the voting records. Then going back to individuals being varied... I think on the average we've got a good shot at something that's at least reasonably close. On the other hand, with people that perhaps have good intentions, but no access to the actual records, they can't do any better than wild guesses.
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  8. Interesting that the examples you folks who are afraid of massive voter fraud cite are about the ease of obtaining an absentee ballot. Perhaps the folks requesting absentee ballots should have some more stringent rules of identification applied to them, since we do not want anyone (including a Massachusetts Republican running for a state legislative seat) submitting fraudulent absentee ballots. HOWEVER, the anti-fraud laws passed by Republicans around the country do not address potential fraud with absentee ballots, only the supposed scourge of in-person voter fraud, which (if it occurs at all) is VERY rare. It does seem Republican leaders' zeal on this issue is meant to handicap likely Democratic voters, not to get to the most fair and transparent vote possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMM View Post
    Interesting that the examples you folks who are afraid of massive voter fraud cite are about the ease of obtaining an absentee ballot. Perhaps the folks requesting absentee ballots should have some more stringent rules of identification applied to them, since we do not want anyone (including a Massachusetts Republican running for a state legislative seat) submitting fraudulent absentee ballots. HOWEVER, the anti-fraud laws passed by Republicans around the country do not address potential fraud with absentee ballots, only the supposed scourge of in-person voter fraud, which (if it occurs at all) is VERY rare. It does seem Republican leaders' zeal on this issue is meant to handicap likely Democratic voters, not to get to the most fair and transparent vote possible.
    If a person gets sent 3 or 4 absentee ballots that means they are listed on the rolls 3 or 4 times and could vote in person 3 or 4 times, your thesis is weak at best
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    Quote Originally Posted by aacx22 View Post
    It's made up of about 2.8M people. Of these, some are honest, some are crooked, and most are somewhere in the middle... .
    I would add to your statement, that the heads of these 2.8 are politically appointed. The subversion over the years has created a ruling class at the GS 12 thru 15 grades and by appointment of the Senior Executive Service (SES). These people have been well planted and recruited over the years. As for Gov stats, really, you believe anything these propagandist spew? Control the sheepeople, control the media and comfort those that need. Sounds more like Karl Marx manifesto then the COTUS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mappow View Post
    I would add to your statement, that the heads of these 2.8 are politically appointed. The subversion over the years has created a ruling class at the GS 12 thru 15 grades and by appointment of the Senior Executive Service (SES). These people have been well planted and recruited over the years. As for Gov stats, really, you believe anything these propagandist spew? Control the sheepeople, control the media and comfort those that need. Sounds more like Karl Marx manifesto then the COTUS.
    Okay, so where does legitimate info come from?
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