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    Socialist healthcare, the prophetic demise of America?

    Back in the day, I covered agricultural and economic news for Knight-Ridder. The Soviet Union had a five year plan. They rarely, if ever, met the goals of the plan. For example, every year the communists would say they were going to be food self-sufficient. And every year, they had hungry people because they could not feed them. The collective farms were not producing at capacity. Moreover, the communists, using military trucks, lost high percentages of what was produced in transport to the grain elevators. The system imploded every year and they had to buy from America. Socialized healthcare in America is no different. No incentive plus government incompetency equals suffering people.



    With socialist medicine, Americans are already seeing a similar system to Soviet agriculture. The people are unable to sign up because the government website doesn't work. Health plans are far more expensive for less coverage. Government subsidies (translated: wealth redistribution) are to be handed out to those who can't afford it. Kaiser Health News reports that major insurance carriers such as Florida Blue, Kaiser Permanente, Highmark and Blue Cross will drop millions of customers who were promised by the occupant of the Oval Office that they could keep their policies. These cancellations, already totaling over half a million, are due to the requirements of socialist medicine.



    In the end, there are higher deductibles, higher premiums, higher taxes, and a system where government employees will decide who gets to receive healthcare treatment and when they get it. Tax money will support abortion, euthanasia, and subsidize a huge and ever growing government bureaucracy that is designed to control your freedom using your health as leverage. Meanwhile, the occupant is pushing for millions of illegals to have citizenship through amnesty, which will further use socialist healthcare for wealth redistribution and voter control. When the news media presses the White House on these issues of socialized medicine, the press secretary says he is not a computer expert and walks out.



    The Communist Manifesto calls for abolishing all religion and all morals. It creates a godless society where people have no hope, no incentive, no desire to live out life in the excellence of Christ. Therefore, what they do is go to work and come home to a substandard quality of life, the leaders get richer, the middle class disappears. That is what will happen in America if this is allowed to continue. Psalm 33:12 says, "Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD." When the people allow government to become god, they suffer the consequences. And yes, it rains on the just as well as the unjust. God has given us freedom in choosing our rulers.

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    I have to say with the recent enactment of Obamacare, my wife, and son were kicked off their health insurance, for what reason? I assume to have to enroll in Obamacare website that has proven to be full of bugs and half assed. Kinda upsets me that because we havent jumped to the conformity, theyre pushed out of a system. Yes, it was state aid, only because insurance premiums are through the roof and we can not afford a 325.00 insurance plan with a 2500 deductible, whats the point in getting health insurance if you can not afford the deductible, further more, how can anyone afford an obamacare plan with a low or no deductible when the plan itself is over 600 a month? IMHO Obama care is a way to force people into depending on the Government, possibly for a total Government take over.
    Sad thing is, what our forefathers hated most [Government control] is being accepted more and more everyday. The Government was never supposed to be this big. Again, IMHO, a violent overthrow is the only thing thats going to change our Government for the better. All theyre doing anymore is pushing the Middle class out for good. Dems dont care, and sadly the Republicans are so divided its not even funny. Who let this bill pass in the first place? I say vote them out. Get someone in there thats worth a damn. But, wont happen, sadly, people like to not have to worry about anything, why worry when you got Big Brother there with the grin on his face giving you a hand out, only to laugh knowing youre conforming to the NWO.
    Sad world we live in....
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    Itstjs, We knew your in for a would of S*** when Pelosi said, "we've got to pass the bill in order to see what's in it". There are thousands of people all over the country receiving letters from their current insurance company's that's telling them their policy is canceled due to Obamacare. The other big problem is the vast number in money that's going to be required to obtain another policy. A normal mans policy at age 27 will see an increase of 95% and a woman of the same age 55%. The only thing I can hope for is that Obamacare implodes upon itself ASAP.
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    Obama did say before he was elected he was going to fundamentally change America and he plans to bankrupt the coal industry. Can anyone imagine a conservative making these statements and win an election. Apparently words only matter when they are spoken by a conservative. Liberals can say what ever they want and no one seems to remember what is said. Not even our liberal president can remember what he said. "If you like your current insurance you can keep it. If your like your doctor you can keep them." "I never said that."
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    Socialized healthcare is the anchor of dictatorship in this new century. This is a morass of astronomical proportions and it is designed to bring order out of chaos--a disgraceful dictatorship in the guise of democracy. Beware of the coming days and months. If socialized healthcare is allowed to stand, the nation will be forever changed from one of enterprise and opportunity to one of entitlement and dictatorship. There is so much in the Affordable Care Act that is anti-American, anti-Republic, anti-Constitution that the tip of the iceberg can hardly be seen. The ramifications of this law will be far reaching, long lasting, and dictatorial. For example, if you claim your Second Amendment rights, you will be subject to mental health investigation. You will be paying for other peoples abortions. Illegals, the IRS and Congress are exempt. You will be paying for them--one way or another.

    After the dust settles on this public ruse, we may as well put our freedom in a straightjacket. There is hardly an elected official who is standing for what is right. In the end, they all will support more government control, more rights being taken away, and more and higher taxes being paid by the rest of us. This debate ultimately is not about keeping the country from defaulting or from falling into socialism, but rather establishing a new order of government and most ALL the elected are in on it either by cunning, by naiveté, by ego, or by outright stupidity. Americans feel helpless to do anything about it because the elected are not listening. Theirs is a bloodlust of the politic; the deal more important than the outcome.

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    Bondage in the United States

    Bondage in the United States

    I want to state up front that I believe in the Pre-Trib Rapture and I don’t think that truly born again believers have to be concerned about going through the Tribulation period, falling prey to a one-world government, or taking the Mark of the Beast. But the Bible teaches that there will be a generation of believers that can see these things beginning to come to pass. And as that terminal generation sees the day approaching, the Bible gives us insight into where current events are taking us so that those who choose to do so can try to prepare.

    Most students of Bible prophecy are familiar with the famous Mark of the Beast:

    “And he [the False Prophet] causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name” (Revelation 13:16-17).


    Those who are watching can see the technology to mark, identify and track people coming on the scene today. Among other things, the Mark of the Beast is about global bondage or the cancellation of all human rights for the purpose of controlling everyone on earth. It involves two things: 1) The destruction of Christianity to make way for a new world religion or global ethic, and 2) The creation or establishment of a system to make everyone dependent upon government. As a Christian, I also believe that God established the United States to be a place to give people rights and freedoms including the right and freedom to worship Him and to depend upon Him. When America’s early Colonies declared their freedom from British rule they used the Second Continental Congress to adopt The Declaration of Independence. The second paragraph of that historic document reads, “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.” As I see it, the global elite (they usually prefer to be called progressives) are: 1) Trying to destroy America’s dependence upon God (destroy Christianity) by taking prayer out of our schools, the Ten Commandments out of our courthouses, prohibiting Christian displays and speeches on public property, and things like that; and 2) they are trying to replace America’s dependence upon God by making as many people as possible dependent upon government. They are trying to destroy America’s freedom of religion and they are trying to create a system of government benefits to get a hold over people and make them do as they say. We already have more citizens receiving a government benefit of some kind than we have holding a full time job.

    Obamacare is really a scheme to expand government control of United States citizens. Increasing the cost of insurance forces those who are barely making a living to look to the government for help. Forcing people who had a 40 hour a week job with insurance into a 30 hour a week job with no insurance decreases their income and forces them to look to the government for help. Forcing businesses to close or leave the country because they can’t afford the cost of Obamacare for their employees throws those employees out of work and forces them to look to the government for a benefit. Adding more IRS employees to monitor the cost of healthcare places more people on the government payroll and increases the number of those who are dependent upon government for a check.


    Daymond Duck

    LEST WE FORGET...Henry Kissinger, former Secretary of State in the administration of US President Richard Nixon, said openly upon the election of Barack Obama as the US president in 2008 that Obama had been groomed to be the ARCHITECT to lead us into a "New World Order". That being true and knowing that God sets up rulers and God takes them down, it's easy to understand the reason for the current political and economic condition of the United States of America and the truth... "Obamacare is really a scheme to expand government control of United States citizens."

    Ringo.



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    Socialism doesn't work because it doesn't take human nature into consideration. There will always be a fairly large percentage of people who will not work and depend on others to pick up the slack.

    We are destroying the best health system in the world in order to give health care to a small percentage of the population. Most in this group that lacks insurance either could've been covered under Medicade or didn't want to buy insurance because they were young and healthy.

    Ringo mentioned the 5 year plans. All the time that the Soviets were not meeting their goals and.people were going hungry, prices were low in the U.S. because farmers were producing huge surpluses. This government would love to takeover agriculture and do the same thing for farming that they're doing to health care. If this is allowed to happen a lot of overfed, overweight people are going to lose a lot of weight.

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