Gonzaga University students could face expulsion for gun - Page 2
Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 123 LastLast
Results 11 to 20 of 21

Thread: Gonzaga University students could face expulsion for gun

  1. #11
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Location
    Pittsburgh, PA
    Posts
    3,832

    Post

    Here's the only sticking point: these students resided in an campus owned domicile. They had to adhere to the campus rules while living there. If their safety where they lived is as important, as they obviously believed it is, they have the option of living off-campus. They chose to take the campus housing, circumvent the rules and now they are paying the consequences.

    Let's break it down:
    Right to defend themselves: absolutely
    Legally allowed to own a shotgun: absolutely
    Legally allowed to own a handgun: absolutely
    Allowed to have firearms in a campus owned apartment: no <--- this is the University violation. This is the only violation that the University is contemplating a punishment about.

    Here is a link on the Gonzaga's website in case they wished to get off-campus housing, not owned by the University, and not have to adhere to the socialist rules of the University:
    Off-Campus Rentals - Gonzaga University

    I found this in about 10 seconds after getting on Gonzaga's website. These students could have done the same and probably should have.

    The handbook took me about 30 seconds to find. Look on page 20, it is very clear that they broke the student code of conduct:
    http://www.gonzaga.edu/Student+Life/...nteractive.pdf


    Possession, use, display, sale or exchange of weapons at any location on campus, including University residential facilities and privately-owned vehicles, is prohibited. The term “weapon” means any object designed to propel an object, inflict a wound, cause injury, incapacitate, damage property or cause a reasonable fear of such, and includes, but is not limited to, all firearms, pellet/BB/air guns, paintball guns, home-manufactured cannons or explosive devices, bows and arrows, slingshots, clubs, martial arts devices, switchblades or otherwise-illegal knives or knives with a blade longer than three inches (with the exception of kitchen knives in our University homes and apartments). Replica guns and other simulated weapons are included within this policy. Objects otherwise not considered weapons, and knives with blades
    less than three inches, may be included within this policy if used as a weapon. Fireworks, flammables, explosives and chemicals of an explosive and/or flammable nature are also prohibited.

    Exceptions to this policy may be authorized by the Director of Campus Public Safety and Security. The University retains the right to search persons, possessions and bags and privately-owned vehicles on University property, and to confiscate, retain and dispose of/destroy all items covered by this policy regardless of value or ownership. Law enforcement may be contacted for some violations of this policy.
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote."
    ~ Benjamin Franklin (maybe)

  2.   
  3. #12

  4. #13
    The issue is about what you can and can not do inside your home. You pay rent, it is your home, not the owners. This is what needs to be looked at.
    The Only Easy Day Was Yesterday

  5. #14
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Location
    Pittsburgh, PA
    Posts
    3,832
    Quote Originally Posted by Seeya View Post
    The issue is about what you can and can not do inside your home. You pay rent, it is your home, not the owners. This is what needs to be looked at.
    The messy gray area of this is that what the students are being penalized for is not against the law. Cops came, they were fine with the actions of the students.

    The problem comes down to University policy when you are on University property. It should be interesting to see how the University rules on this. I hope they do the right thing, realize these young men did the right thing. Shoot, they even tried to give the homeless guy a blanket and food.
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote."
    ~ Benjamin Franklin (maybe)

  6. Quote Originally Posted by Seeya View Post
    The issue is about what you can and can not do inside your home. You pay rent, it is your home, not the owners. This is what needs to be looked at.
    I agree up to a point, the point being that the landlord has to set condidtions for renting and in this case one of the condition was no firearms. If you don't agree to the conditions live somewhere else
    We don't smoke marijuana in Muskogee, we don't take our trips on LSD. We don't burn our draft cards Down on Main Street. 'Cause we like livin' right and being free.

  7. #16
    Join Date
    May 2012
    Location
    north east Iowa
    Posts
    1,250
    [QUOTE=Cnon;483456]Here's an update on this case:


    2 Gonzaga Students on Probation for Having Guns - ABC News

    It's not perfect but is far better than expulsion.. This was only approved because of a massive display of public support for the students.



    Cnon[/QUOTE

  8. #17
    Fox and Friends on TV just reported that, the students got their guns back; but they must keep them in non-university housing and are still on probation.



    Cnon

  9. #18
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    West Michigan
    Posts
    783
    This ended about as well as can be expected in the incipient People's Republic of Amerika. The students ane still, well... students, and they have their property back.

    Johnny Dollar seems to think that rules trump one's right to life. "Don't live there if you don't want to abide by the rules", and "If you don't agree with the rules, don't agree to live by them", says Johnny. How are 18 - 23 year old college kids supposed to determine the odds that "living by the rules" (on campus) or not (living off campus where a no gun rule is presumably not present) is the correct and most safe decision? They can't, no one can. Does the "rule" housing have less crime or is it safer where one is able to protect oneself with the best means necessary?
    Johnny can speculate that two healthy college kids can vanquish one guy but he does not know any of the overarching circumstances so he can't possibly know the outcome. The students felt threatened enough for one of them to "break the rules"... what does Johnny say if the person at the door was an armed, violent, life long criminal that could have easily taken them down but decided against that action due to the student's gun? Is it okay to be maimed or die because of the rules? It's easy to state the rules - and many times they are there for very good reasons - but there are also times that the rules take lives and the only way to avoid that is to "break them".

    The students broke the rules, granted; but they are also yet among us which to my mind trumps any rule that could alter this outcome.
    “You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you mad.” – Aldous Huxley

  10. Quote Originally Posted by MI .45 View Post
    This ended about as well as can be expected in the incipient People's Republic of Amerika. The students ane still, well... students, and they have their property back.

    Johnny Dollar seems to think that rules trump one's right to life. "Don't live there if you don't want to abide by the rules", and "If you don't agree with the rules, don't agree to live by them", says Johnny. How are 18 - 23 year old college kids supposed to determine the odds that "living by the rules" (on campus) or not (living off campus where a no gun rule is presumably not present) is the correct and most safe decision? They can't, no one can. Does the "rule" housing have less crime or is it safer where one is able to protect oneself with the best means necessary?
    Johnny can speculate that two healthy college kids can vanquish one guy but he does not know any of the overarching circumstances so he can't possibly know the outcome. The students felt threatened enough for one of them to "break the rules"... what does Johnny say if the person at the door was an armed, violent, life long criminal that could have easily taken them down but decided against that action due to the student's gun? Is it okay to be maimed or die because of the rules? It's easy to state the rules - and many times they are there for very good reasons - but there are also times that the rules take lives and the only way to avoid that is to "break them".

    The students broke the rules, granted; but they are also yet among us which to my mind trumps any rule that could alter this outcome.

    The students broke the rule long before they felt threatened. They broke the rules the day they brought weapons into on campus/university owned housing.

    When I went to college I had enough sense not to bring unauthorized weapons on campus. Granted I commuted from home but I still wasn't dumb enough to move into campus housing that forbade firearms.
    We don't smoke marijuana in Muskogee, we don't take our trips on LSD. We don't burn our draft cards Down on Main Street. 'Cause we like livin' right and being free.

  11. The biggest problem with this country today is too many people think the rules should apply to everyone but them.

    No one forced these two to go to Gonzaga; no one forced them to live in on campus housing. According to the story the student handbook explained the on campus weapons policy clearly and I’ll bet that when they went through student orientation they were required to sign a form acknowledging that they had read the student hand book and agreed to abide by it. I bet the lease they signed was clear with regard to weapons as well. This means they knew the rules and chose to violate them, which also means they chose to accept the inherent risk of doing so.

    If I were the Dean of Students they’d be out on their ears and I’d hold them accountable for the rent on the housing unit until another renter was found.
    We don't smoke marijuana in Muskogee, we don't take our trips on LSD. We don't burn our draft cards Down on Main Street. 'Cause we like livin' right and being free.

Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 123 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Quantcast