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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by jwtollett21 View Post
    All I hear about Obama is socialist. Lets end this discussion now. Both Obama and Mccain are socialist. Both voted to give 700 billion of our tax money away. The largest tranfer of wealth in American history. Obama wants to give money to lower income or no income people and Mccain wants to give it to his buddies, Oil company's and things like that. So Lets please realize that we can't point fingers at either candidate on this subject. This bailout package is the most socialistic thing the government has done in a long time, and i'm glad Senator Mccain felt it was so important to suspended his campaign to get it passed.
    Obama isn't a socialist...he's a communist. Yes, McCain and Bush BOTH made me very unhappy with bailouts and disregard for securing our border with Mexico. However, B.O. is "the one" who has nationalized portions of the auto industry, the student loan program, healthcare, banks, large corporations, Freddie Mac and Fannie May...and all of those "changes" spell C-O-M-M-U-N-I-S-M. And, he's only begun. Next he'll want to nationalize the energy industries, food production and distribution, and on and on and on. In the meantime, he's hijacked our economic stability. The American people MUST bring the Obama Express to a halt...the sooner the better, for OUR sakes, and for the sake of our children, grandchildren and the generations to come.
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    mojo Guest
    "Obama wants to give money to lower income or no income people "tollett21........
    first off, this is America, how about they get out and WORK for that money instead of relying on the government to GIVE it to them; lest you forget the government has NO money to GIVE, it is money TAKEN from those of us who work and pay taxes!!
    the bill for this monstrosity was written by dems and passed by dems..the money was appropriated by dems and was given to banks and large corporations to bail them out. as of this writting the "bailout" has not made it to the working class, no jobs, except for govenment jobs have been created in any numbers that make a difference and its over a year. the only thing you got right is that this is about power. obama is a hybrid.....he has instituted socialist programs, he has surrounded himself with communists in his inner circle and he supports groups that could be called facist/communist in their structure.
    people who cannot see what this man is and what he has been long before the campaign of lies are just plain blind or dont give a damn about this country......my opinion!!!!

  4. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by mojo View Post
    "Obama wants to give money to lower income or no income people "tollett21........
    first off, this is America, how about they get out and WORK for that money instead of relying on the government to GIVE it to them; lest you forget the government has NO money to GIVE, it is money TAKEN from those of us who work and pay taxes!!
    the bill for this monstrosity was written by dems and passed by dems..the money was appropriated by dems and was given to banks and large corporations to bail them out. as of this writting the "bailout" has not made it to the working class, no jobs, except for govenment jobs have been created in any numbers that make a difference and its over a year. the only thing you got right is that this is about power. obama is a hybrid.....he has instituted socialist programs, he has surrounded himself with communists in his inner circle and he supports groups that could be called facist/communist in their structure.
    people who cannot see what this man is and what he has been long before the campaign of lies are just plain blind or dont give a damn about this country......my opinion!!!!
    Your opinion matches mine, so it must be valid.
    Prov. 27:3 - "Stone is heavy and sand a burden, but provocation by a fool is heavier than both"

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  6. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by mojo View Post
    "Obama wants to give money to lower income or no income people "tollett21........
    first off, this is America, how about they get out and WORK for that money instead of relying on the government to GIVE it to them; lest you forget the government has NO money to GIVE, it is money TAKEN from those of us who work and pay taxes!!
    the bill for this monstrosity was written by dems and passed by dems..the money was appropriated by dems and was given to banks and large corporations to bail them out. as of this writing the "bailout" has not made it to the working class, no jobs, except for government jobs have been created in any numbers that make a difference and its over a year. the only thing you got right is that this is about power. obama is a hybrid.....he has instituted socialist programs, he has surrounded himself with communists in his inner circle and he supports groups that could be called fascist/communist in their structure.
    people who cannot see what this man is and what he has been long before the campaign of lies are just plain blind or dont give a damn about this country......my opinion!!!!
    +1 Well Said...

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  7. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by mojo View Post
    "Obama wants to give money to lower income or no income people "tollett21........
    first off, this is America, how about they get out and WORK for that money instead of relying on the government to GIVE it to them; lest you forget the government has NO money to GIVE, it is money TAKEN from those of us who work and pay taxes!!
    the bill for this monstrosity was written by dems and passed by dems..the money was appropriated by dems and was given to banks and large corporations to bail them out. as of this writting the "bailout" has not made it to the working class, no jobs, except for govenment jobs have been created in any numbers that make a difference and its over a year. the only thing you got right is that this is about power. obama is a hybrid.....he has instituted socialist programs, he has surrounded himself with communists in his inner circle and he supports groups that could be called facist/communist in their structure.
    people who cannot see what this man is and what he has been long before the campaign of lies are just plain blind or dont give a damn about this country......my opinion!!!!
    +1. In other words he is a sorry excuse for a human being and a traitor to boot.
    By faith Noah,being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear,prepared an ark to the saving of his house;by the which he condemned the world,and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith Heb.11:7

  8. #37
    JSDinTexas Guest
    +1 I never thought I would see this in our country.

  9. #38

    "The people never give up their liberties, but under some delusion." - Edmund Burke

  10. #39

    Why So Socialist?

    Wednesday, February 13, 2008

    Obama's Socialist Relationships

    With Obama's big wins last night,it's time to look at how radical Obama really is.He might not have a big voting record,but Obama sure has interacted with some real radicals.The mainstream media might refer to Washington Post columnist Harold Meyerson as liberal when in fact he's a leader of the Democratic Socialists of America.The liberal media also refers to Gloria Steinem,Cornel West,and Barbara Ehrenreich as "liberals" when in fact they also are actually socialist leaders.
    The Democratic Socialists of America(DSA) is America largest socialist organization with an easy to understand goal.Here's a quote from their website:
    We are socialists because we reject an international economic order sustained by private profit
    So,what's Barack Obama's relationship with an organization like the DSA?

    The DSA has a Chicago branch called the highly original the Chicago Democratic Socialists of America.The Chicago branch has a publication called New Ground.Guess who's name shows up in New Ground? Barack Obama.Let's quote from the March - April, 1996 of New Ground:
    Over three hundred people attended the first of two Town Meetings on Economic Insecurity on February 25 in Ida Noyes Hall at the University of Chicago. Entitled "Employment and Survival in Urban America", the meeting was sponsored by the UofC DSA Youth Section, Chicago DSA and University Democrats. The panelists were Toni Preckwinkle, Alderman of Chicago's 4th Ward; Barack Obama, candidate for the 13th Illinois Senate District; Professor William Julius Wilson, Center for the Study of Urban Inequality at the University of Chicago; Professor Michael Dawson, University of Chicago; and Professor Joseph Schwartz, Temple University and a member of DSA's National Political Committee.

    The meeting demonstrated that economic insecurity is an issue not exclusive to Buchanan Republicans. It is a vital issue for the left as well. More than that, it illustrated that, unlike the Right, the democratic left has a number of potential solutions that go beyond mere demagoguery.

    Alderman Preckwinkle began the discussion by observing that the Chicago City Council rarely takes up the great issues facing the city even when it is presented with legislation dealing with these issues. Hearings are not held. Legislation rarely makes it out of committee.

    As examples, she used Alderman Joe Moore's (49th) Privatization Ordinance which was introduced last year and the Jobs and Living Wage Ordinance which will be formally introduced in the Council very soon.

    The Privatization Ordinance (see January - February, 1995, New Ground, page 1) was a modest effort to regulate the manner in which city services were privatized. It would have made the process accountable and made sure savings were not accomplished at the expense of employees. The measure was consigned to oblivion in committee. While a majority of the Council "supported" the ordinance, an attempt to release it from committee failed for lack of votes.

    The Jobs and Living Wage Ordinance (see January - February, 1996, New Ground, page 10) is a more ambitious attempt to require city contractors to pay a minimum living wage. The measure will be formally introduced into the Council in April or May. Alderman Preckwinkle was not optimistic about its prospects although the presence of the Democratic National Convention may provide some opportunities for better leverage.

    Barack Obama observed that Martin Luther King's March on Washington in the 1960s wasn't simply about civil rights but demanded jobs as well. Now the issue is again coming to the front, but he wished the issue was on the Democratic agenda not just on Buchanan's.

    One of the themes that has emerged in Barack Obama's campaign is "what does it take to create productive communities", not just consumptive communities. It is an issue that joins some of the best instincts of the conservatives with the better instincts of the left. He felt the state government has three constructive roles to play.

    The first is "human capital development". By this he meant public education, welfare reform, and a "workforce preparation strategy". Public education requires equality in funding. It's not that money is the only solution to public education's problems but it's a start toward a solution. The current proposals for welfare reform are intended to eliminate welfare but it's also true that the status quo is not tenable. A true welfare system would provide for medical care, child care and job training. While Barack Obama did not use this term, it sounded very much like the "social wage" approach used by many social democratic labor parties. By "workforce preparation strategy", Barack Obama simply meant a coordinated, purposeful program of job training instead of the ad hoc, fragmented approach used by the State of Illinois today.

    The state government can also play a role in redistribution, the allocation of wages and jobs. As Barack Obama noted, when someone gets paid $10 million to eliminate 4,000 jobs, the voters in his district know this is an issue of power not economics. The government can use as tools labor law reform, public works and contracts.

    Finally, Illinois needs an industrial strategy. How do we create more jobs for everyone? Illinois has no strategy for encouraging high wage, high productivity jobs.
    Notice the DSA connections in italics,notice panelist Barack Obama.It appears the socialist style conference wasn't there to debate whether Milton Friedman was more important to economics than Ronald Coase.But,in the very same issue of New Ground Barack Obama's name comes up again under :"Chicago DSA Endorsements in the March 19th Primary Election" only a few politicians got mentioned for endorsement:


    Barack Obama is running to gain the Democratic ballot line for Illinois Senate 13th District. The 13th District is Alice Palmer's old district, encompassing parts of Hyde Park and South Shore.

    Mr. Obama graduated from Columbia University and promptly went into community organizing for the Developing Communities Project in Roseland and Altgeld Gardens on the far south side of Chicago. He went on to Harvard University, where he was editor of the Harvard Law Review. He graduated with a law degree. In 1992, he was Director of Illinois Project Vote, a voter registration campaign that made Carol Moseley Braun's election to the U.S. Senate much easier than it would have been. At present, he practices law in Judson Miner's law firm and is President of the board of the Annenberg Challenge Grant which is distributing some $50 million in grants to public school reform efforts.

    What best characterizes Barack Obama is a quote from an article in Illinois Issues, a retrospective look at his experience as a community organizer while he was completing his degree at Harvard:

    "... community organizations and organizers are hampered by their own dogmas about the style and substance of organizing. Most practice ... a 'consumer advocacy' approach, with a focus on wrestling services and resources from outside powers that be. Few are thinking of harnessing the internal productive capacities, both in terms of money and people, that already exist in communities." (Illinois issues, September, 1988)

    Luckily, Mr. Obama does not have any opposition in the primary. His opponents have all dropped out or were ruled off the ballot. But if you would like to contribute to his campaign, make the check payable to Friends of Barack Obama, 2154 E. 71st, Chicago, IL 60649. If you would like to become involved in his campaign, call the headquarters at (312) 363-1996.
    No opposition but the Chicago Democratic Socialists of America felt Obama was worth mentioning.Remember,dozens of other political races failed to get an endorsement.

    We move on to New Ground 58 which is May - June, 1998 and Obama name comes up again:
    On Friday, March 13th, Chicago's democratic left lost one of its champions, Saul Mendelson.

    Saul Mendelson was a co-founder of the Debs Dinner in 1958. He was its treasurer for the first ten years and worked diligently to make it a success for 39 years. Saul received the Thomas - Debs Award in 1988.

    Saul Mendelson was also a real believer in union movement. He fought for the right of teachers to bargain collectively and he was a member and leader of the American Federation of Teachers.

    He was active in reform politics in Chicago, especially the campaigns for Harold Washington. He even ran for State Senator in 1970. He was the foreign policy specialist for the Americans for Democratic Action (ADA). Saul was the essence of the long distance runner.

    Memorial services were held on March 29 and on April 2 by the Harold Washington College Chapter of the Cook County Teachers Union.

    At the memorial service held at the 1st Unitarian Church on South Woodlawn, speaker after speaker recounted Saul's contributions. The service was ably MC'd by a retired colleague, Bob Clark. I spoke first and was followed by Saul's friend Deborah Meier, a MacArthur Genius Grant recipient who is now starting a new school in Boston. Amy Isaacs, National Director of the ADA, spoke of what Saul had meant on foreign affairs to the ADA. Other speakers included Senator Carol Moseley Braun, Alderman Toni Preckwinkle, State Senator Barak Obama, Illinois House Majority Leader Barbara Flynn Currie and a good friend from New York, Myra Russell. The concluding remarks were made by an old friend, Harriet Lefley, who is now Professor of Psychology at the University of Miami Medical School.

    The Saul Mendelson Memorial at Harold Washington College had colleagues speaking of what Saul had meant to the professors because of his union leadership as Chair of the Chapter. The event was organized by the present Chapter Chair, Mike Ruggeri.

    For Jennie, his companion for 50 years and the mother of his children, and for all his friends, the two memorials were very important.
    Just who was Saul Mendelson the man Obama was giving a speech for? The Chicago DSA explains:
    Saul Mendelson

    You joined the Socialist movement at the age of 18. You chaired the Socialist Club at the University of Chicago. You taught and inspired students at DuSable High School. You fought in the civil rights struggles with the NAACP, with CORE, and with the Negro American Labor Council. You have held fast to your belief in democratic socialism.

    You fought for collective bargaining for public employees and were the vice-president of the Chicago Teachers Union High School Division when the first collective bargaining contract was achieved. You became a professor at Loop College (now Harold Washington College) and were its union chair from 1969 to 1986 in the Cook County College Local. Five of the times your union was forced on strike, you were your chapter's strike committee chair.

    You have been active in reform politics for years, as chair of the state IVI-IPO, and presently as chair of the South Side IVI-IPO. You have served on the national board of the Americans for Democratic Action since 1966. You participated as an area coordinator in all stages of the 1983 and 1987 mayoral victories of Harold Washington and in Charles Hayes' Congressional campaigns. This year's Democratic Party Convention will be your third, and you go to Atlanta as a Second Congressional District delegate for Jesse Jackson.

    You were one of the founders of this Dinner when it was known as the Debs Dinner and you served as its treasurer for ten years. On this seventh day of May, 1988, the Norman Thomas - Eugene V. Debs Award is given to you for living an active, dedicated life in the pursuit of the ideas and ideals of these two great socialists.

    In New Ground 69 March - April, 2000 Obama again is mentioned.One of the few politicians mentioned for endorsement:
    For Congressman of the 1st Congressional District, the Executive Committee was faced with two very good candidates. As we are not making endorsements but merely recommendations, we felt no conflict in recommending both Bobby Rush and Barak Obama.

    Bobby Rush is the incumbent Congressman. He was also a candidate for Mayor of Chicago in the last municipal elections, endorsed by Chicago DSA. While he hasn't always been the ideal Congressman from a left perspective (being a cosponsor of the "NAFTA for Africa" bill, for example), he's generally been quite good. To volunteer, call 773 264 7874. Contributions may be made to Citizens for Rush, 514 E. 95th St., Chicago, IL 60619.

    Barak Obama is serving only his second term in the Illinois State Senate so he might be fairly charged with ambition, but the same might have be said of Bobby Rush when he ran against Congressman Charles Hayes. Obama also has put in time at the grass roots, working for five years as a community organizer in Harlem and in Chicago. When Obama participated in a 1996 UofC YDS Townhall Meeting on Economic Insecurity, much of what he had to say was well within the mainstream of European social democracy. To volunteer, call 773 846 2262. Contributions may be sent to Obama for Congress 2000, PO Box 497987, Chicago, IL 60649.
    There you have it, the Chicago Democratic Socialists view Obama's views "well within the mainstream of European social democracy." Why did Barack Obama earn the affection of the Chicago Democratic Socialists of America? How often did Barack Obama meet with Chicago DSA? Is Obama a member of the Chicago DSA? Does Obama want to turn America into a European style socialist democracy?

    When Vermont Congressman,self-described socialist Bernie Sanders,decided he'd run for Senate:Obama came to Vermont to endorse him.Obama could have endorsed the logical candidate the slated Democratic candidate,but he choose socialist Bernie Sanders.Here's some of the quotes from the endorsement:Obama calls Bernie Sanders an "outstanding candidate",Obama says "things can change",Obama said "I want to make sure everybody is as enthusiastic as I am" concerning Bernie Sanders and "only a handful of wrong headed people don't like him." These amazing quotes are on this video the Obama campaign hopes you don't see.Obama doesn't seem to mind endorsing and hanging out with socialists.

    Newsalert: Obama's Socialist Relationships


    "The people never give up their liberties, but under some delusion." - Edmund Burke

  11. Quote Originally Posted by theicemanmpls View Post
    montana, why are you digging up old posts?
    could you be more specific?

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