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  1. #121
    Quote Originally Posted by 1911 Headbanger View Post
    The problem here is then, just try to use it if you need it. Get stopped when you have one in your possesion. Even if you have to pull it for protection, and then not have to use it. Someone reports the incident and you will end up in jail for having it. While I lived in New York City a building contractor came home to find two sleazebags had broken into his home and were about to rape his wife. One was armed with a Knife, the other with a crowbar. He retreived his pistol from another location in the house and confronted the two thugs. One came toward him and was shot and killed, the other fled through a window but was eventually captured and jailed.
    The man was prosecuted for having an unlicensed pistol he had owned in Tennessee before moving to New York. The New York prosecutor brought the surviving rapist hoodlum into the courtroom to testify against the homeowner and sent the man to jail for the mandatory one year sentence. True Story.

    So when they pass a law and control your guns, don't think that just not turning them in will solve the problem. The problem is now and we should do everything possible to fight the laws NOW. The reason they pass the laws is leverage. They know that not everyone will turn them in, but it's what will happen when they start making examples out of those who don't comply.

    Someone should have taken that prosecutor out behind the building and explained the facts of life to him.

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  3. #122
    April 24, 2009

    Obama Pushing International Gun Control Treaty CIFTA:


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  4. #123
    Wednesday June 3rd, 2009

    Fairfax, Va. – Today, the National Rifle Association filed a petition for certiorari to the U.S. Supreme Court in the case of NRA v. Chicago. The NRA strongly disagrees with yesterday's decision issued by a three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit, holding that the Second Amendment does not apply to state and local governments

    “The Seventh Circuit got it wrong. As the Supreme Court said in last year's landmark Heller decision, the Second Amendment is an individual right that ‘belongs to all Americans'. Therefore, we are taking our case to the highest court in the land,” said Chris W. Cox, NRA chief lobbyist. “The Seventh Circuit claimed it was bound by precedent from previous decisions. However, it should have followed the lead of the recent Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals decision in Nordyke v. Alameda County, which found that those cases don't prevent the Second Amendment from applying to the states through the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.”

    This Seventh Circuit opinion upholds current bans on the possession of handguns in Chicago and Oak Park, Illinois.

    “It is wrong that the residents of Chicago and Oak Park continue to have their Second Amendment rights denied,” Cox concluded. “It’s time for the fundamental right of self-defense to be respected by every jurisdiction throughout our country.”

    NRA Appeals Seventh Circuit Ruling to the U.S. Supreme Court:
    NRA-ILA :: NRA Appeals Seventh Circuit Ruling to the U.S. Supreme Court

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  6. #125
    Important AWB Advisory Shout out from...

    Kay Hagan supports AWB - Glock Talk

    I recently wrote to Senator Hagan (D-NC) concerning the possibility of an AWB and this is the reply I received:

    May 12, 2009

    Dear Friend,

    Thank you for contacting me regarding the Federal Assault Weapons Ban. I greatly appreciate hearing your thoughts on this important issue.
    Like you, I have always been an advocate for Second Amendment rights. My family, like the great state of North Carolina, has a long tradition of hunting and gun ownership, and I take great pride in that heritage. During my tenure in the North Carolina Senate I continuously supported the responsible use of firearms. As your United States Senator, I will continue working to protect these fundamental, constitutional rights while opposing onerous restrictions on gun ownership.
    As you may know, the Federal Assault Weapons Ban provision of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 expired in September of 2004. While I understand the concerns of those who do not wish to see it renewed, I do support its reauthorization. During my tenure in the North Carolina Senate, I considered crime prevention a top priority. In discussing this issue with law enforcement officials across the state, they told me this law has been an important tool in preventing crime and keeping our streets safe. National police organizations such as the International Association of Chiefs of Police, the International Brotherhood of Police Officers, and the Fraternal Order of Police have all expressed support for the ban.


    Again, thank you for contacting my office. It is truly an honor to represent North Carolina in the United States Senate, and I hope you will not hesitate to contact me in the future should you have any further questions or concerns.

    Sincerely,

    Kay R. Hagan
    United States Senator, North Carolina "

    I think every single member from N.C. should respond to this stance on her part immediately. She doesn't even have her facts right - here's my "sample" email/FAX:

    ==================================

    Your stance on renewing an “A.W.B” is WRONG – and SERIOUSLY out-of-step with your constituents’ wishes!

    The information your stand is based on is also wrong:

    For starters, when Congress imposed the ban in 1994, it required a study of the ban’s effect. The resulting study concluded, “the banned weapons and magazines were never used in more than a small fraction of all gun murders.” To put things in perspective, state and local police reports have shown that “assault weapons” are used in about one percent of murders, but more than 30 percent of murders are committed without any kind of firearm whatsoever.

    Even the VPC admits that the ban had no effect on crime. Violent crime started falling in 1991, three years before the ban was imposed, and has continued to fall since the ban expired.

    Also, 65 of your fellow Democrats have stated THEIR resistance to a “new” A.W.B. – do you think THEY’RE all wrong, too? ( http://www.nraila.org/media/PDFs/AWB...oHolder309.pdf )

    I seriously suggest you educate yourself about why the FIRST “Automatic Weapons Ban” WAS allowed to expire. Those reasons still hold true: NRA-ILA :: Top 10 Reasons The Clinton Gun Ban Was Allowed To Expire

    And I PROMISE you that your “support” for a new “A.W.B” WILL cost you the next election should you choose to maintain that position.

    I FURTHER submit that your statement and position is going to result IN EVEN MORE weapons purchases in North Carolina – because you can BET that if you support a BAN, then your constituents are going to STOCK UP BEFOREHAND.

    Are you comfortable with being responsible for that?
    (Signed)

    =========================================

    Feel free to use that by coping it into an email or a FAX.

    Sen. (temporarily) Hagan's contact info is as follows:


    WASHINGTON, DC OFFICE

    521 Dirksen Senate Office Building
    Washington, DC 20510
    Phone: 202-224-6342
    Fax: 202-228-2563
    GREENSBORO OFFICE – STATE HEADQUARTERS

    701 Green Valley Rd; Suite 201
    Greensboro, NC 27408
    Phone: 336-333-5311
    Fax: 336-333-5331
    RALEIGH OFFICE

    310 New Bern Avenue
    Raleigh, NC 27601
    Phone: 919-856-4630
    Fax: 919-856-4053
    TOLL FREE FOR NORTH CAROLINIAN'S

    P: 1-877-852-9462 and her email contact info is:

    Contact Kay Hagan | Kay Hagan | U.S. Senator for North Carolina

    WHEN you contact her or any other Senator/Representative in Washington please post Their responses and forward copies to at least the NRA, GOA, JPFO, SAF

    In the words of John S. McCain III "I'LL MAKE THEM FAMOUS"...

    LET US START MAKING THEM FAMOUS!

  7. And I PROMISE you that your “support” for a new “A.W.B” WILL cost you the next election should you choose to maintain that position.

    I FURTHER submit that your statement and position is going to result IN EVEN MORE weapons purchases in North Carolina – because you can BET that if you support a BAN, then your constituents are going to STOCK UP BEFOREHAND.

    Are you comfortable with being responsible for that?
    It was very good until this, it sounds like rant and a threat, Ive talked to a senator or 2 who dont even get the emails and letter that have derogatory tone, their aids just trash em

  8. #127
    Quote Originally Posted by rockwerks View Post
    It was very good until this, it sounds like rant and a threat, Ive talked to a senator or 2 who dont even get the emails and letter that have derogatory tone, their aids just trash em
    That is a good point, as this was a shout out from a related site, my intent was to motivate, some proactive action...

    I would agree that any correspondence with your representatives in Washington should be very clear, concise and respectful, and pointing out the previous Second Amendment Transgressions that Slick Willie Clinton stated cost the 1994 Congress their jobs...
    EVEN THOUGH THE RING-LEADERS; Joe Biden (now Vice President, who wrote it), "Mr. & Mrs. America Turn Them All In..." Dianne Feinstein (who made it better according to Joe "The Gaff master" Joe Biden), Legendary Gun Banners Chucky Schumer, and Charles Rangel (also responsible for the Unconstitutional Hughes Amendment to the 1986 FOPA!), Rahm "The Hit man" Emanuel, Billary Clinton, and about 90% of the Usurper Obama's Inner Circle are former members of Slick Willie's and the Brady Bunch's Anti-Second Amendment agenda...
    STILL REMAIN IN OFFICE...

  9. #128
    Gun Free Zones - 1/2 Hour News Hour:
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  10. #129
    Sotomayor guns for the Second Amendment

    In a case headed for the Supreme Court, a three judge panel rules Chicago's gun ban constitutional since the 2nd Amendment doesn't apply to states and cities. Usurper Obama High court nominee Sonia Sotomayor concurs...

    Investors.com - Sotomayor Guns For The 2nd Amendment

  11. #130
    Ted Kennedy Bill Could Send Your Gun Info Into A Massive Federal
    Database
    -- And you could be forced to spend $13,000 of your own money toward
    this effort!

    Gun Owners of America E-Mail Alert
    8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151
    Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408
    http://www.gunowners.org


    Tuesday, June 16, 2009

    At long last, Teddy Kennedy has partially revealed the health care
    system he wants to foist on the whole country -- and it isn't pretty.

    It won't be pretty for your pocket book... OR FOR YOUR GUN RIGHTS!

    But first, let us explain what TeddyCare is all about.

    At the center of the plan is what's called a "universal mandate." What
    this means is that you -- and virtually everyone in the country -- will
    have to buy as much health insurance as the government demands, and that
    insurance plan will actually have to be approved by the government.

    If you work for a small business, the business will buy the insurance on
    your behalf. But you may be saddled with an enormous part of the cost.
    And, if the employer's contribution is too large, you will be fired.

    If you fail to buy TeddyCare, as the government orders you to do, the
    IRS will fine you, garnish your wages, put a lien on your house, and,
    ultimately, put you in prison.

    How much will you have to spend on your TeddyCare insurance? Teddy's not
    saying.

    The portion of your paycheck that will have to be forked over to Teddy's
    latest social experiment will be revealed ONLY AFTER THE MASSIVE HEALTH
    CARE BILL IS SIGNED INTO LAW.

    This should set off alarm bells in your brain, because, for instance,
    the average family policy is currently $12,700. "So," proclaims Teddy,
    "everyone's going to get a subsidy to pay for this." There's going to
    be a "chicken in every pot," and no one's going to have to pay for it.

    Yeah, right. If you're a welfare mother, the government will pay for
    your TeddyCare, and it would pay for it -- the first time -- by taxing
    employer-provided health benefits of working Americans. But if you a
    "working Joe" your Kennedy-subsidy will be a microscopic fraction of the
    cost of your mandated TeddyCare insurance policy.

    Okay, all of this sounds ominous... but why is this a gun issue?

    The answer is that TeddyCare will allow radical left Health and Human
    Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius to determine all of the fine print
    in every TeddyCare policy -- which you will be required to buy under
    penalty of imprisonment.

    Currently, as a result of the stimulus bill and a whole lot of other
    factors, the government is rapidly moving in the direction of
    computerizing all of your most confidential medical records and putting
    them into a federal database.

    So remember when your son was asked by his pediatrician about your gun
    collection? That would be in the federal database.

    Or remember when your wife told her gynecologist that she had regularly
    smoked marijuana ten years ago -- thereby potentially barring both her
    and you from ever owning a gun again? That would be in the database.

    Or if a military veteran complains to his psychiatrist that he's had
    emotional stress since coming back to the States, that would be in the
    database.

    Or remember when gramps was diagnosed with Alzheimer's, thereby making
    him a "mental defective" who would have to relinquish his life-long gun
    collection? That's in there too.

    And, while we are dangerously close to allowing BATFE to troll all of
    that information, TeddyCare would allow Sebelius to put EVERYONE'S
    private data in a database with a stroke of a pen.

    When we say "everyone," we don't mean quite everyone.

    Teddy has conveniently excluded Washington bureaucrats from his
    TeddyCare mandate.

    Also, Teddy and his friends in the media don't want you to hear about
    the details until after the bill is passed. That's why they're trying to
    slam it through within the next month and a half before anyone's had a
    chance to read or debate it.

    In fact, the TeddyCare proposal is currently circulating around Capitol
    Hill without even a bill number.

    ACTION: Urge your two U.S. Senators to oppose Sen. Ted Kennedy's
    mandate that will result in the registration of all your gun
    information.

    Please forward this email to your friends and family and urge them to
    contact their Senators as well.

    You can go to the Gun Owners Legislative Action Center at
    http://www.gunowners.org/activism.htm to send your Senators the
    pre-written e-mail message below.


    ----- Pre-written letter -----

    Dear Senator:

    At long last, Teddy Kennedy has partially revealed the health care
    system he wants to foist on the whole country -- and it isn't pretty.

    At the center of the TeddyCare plan is what's called a "universal
    mandate." What this means is that I -- and virtually everyone in the
    country -- will have to buy as much health insurance as the government
    demands, and that insurance plan will actually have to be approved by
    the government.

    But this is not only an issue of individual freedom; it is a gun issue.

    This is because Teddycare will allow radical left Health and Human
    Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius to determine all of the fine print
    in every Teddycare policy -- which Americans will be required to buy
    under penalty of imprisonment.

    Currently, as a result of the stimulus bill and a whole lot of other
    factors, the government is rapidly moving in the direction of
    computerizing all of our most confidential medical records and putting
    them into a federal database.

    So if a kid is asked by his pediatrician about his dad's gun collection,
    that would be in the federal database.

    Or if a wife told her gynecologist that she had regularly smoked
    marijuana ten years ago -- thereby potentially barring both her and her
    husband from ever owning a gun again, that would be in the database.

    Or if a military veteran complains to his psychiatrist that he's had
    emotional stress since coming back from Iraq or Afghanistan, that would
    be in the database.

    Or when gramps was diagnosed with Alzheimer's, thereby making him a
    "mental defective" who would have to relinquish his life-long gun
    collection, that would be in there too.

    And, while we are dangerously close to allowing BATFE to troll all of
    that information, TeddyCare would allow Sebelius to put EVERYONE'S
    private data in a database with a stroke of a pen.

    You cannot imagine how angry I, my family, and my neighbors are about
    this most recent fraud scheme to cheat me out of perhaps over $10,000
    for TeddyCare -- and to violate my privacy in the process.

    I insist that you oppose TeddyCare -- immediately and loudly. Please do
    not try to shower me with propaganda about how a mandate on how I spend
    my own money is somehow good for me.

    Sincerely,
    yourname goes here...

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