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  1. #131
    Another stupid idea fromTed Kennedy. We need a government ran health care program like I need a 3 headed hog in my kitchen!

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  5. #134
    British want their guns back...
    YouTube - British Want Their Guns Back

  6. Awful Senator Hagan

    Quote Originally Posted by Bohemian View Post
    Important AWB Advisory Shout out from...

    Kay Hagan supports AWB - Glock Talk

    I recently wrote to Senator Hagan (D-NC) concerning the possibility of an AWB and this is the reply I received:.....
    OH MY GOD! How the he!! did you get a reply from Kay Hagan?? My husband and I LIVE in North Carolina and have emailed and snail mailed her at least fifty times each.

    All we have ever gotten from her is either no reply, or a form email with the address no_replyHagan.

    That's why we call her 'no reply hagan'. Her contituents are dirt to her. Thank God we have the fine Senator Richard Burr to cancel out every crappy vote she makes.

    She is one of the absolute WORST in the Senate today. Even the GOA rates her an 'F'.

  7. #136
    Mexican Standoff On Second Amendment


    Posted 07/07/2009 05:41 PM ET

    Big lies die slowly.
    After a claim by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives that 90% of Mexican drug dealers' military weapons (machine guns, hand grenades and missiles) come from American gun stores was exposed as a lie several months ago, it's back — this time with the imprimatur of the Government Accountability Office...

    A June 21 CBS "60 Minutes" report by Anderson Cooper was clearly coordinated to coincide with release of the GAO report and a similar one by "activist" Josh Sugarmann.

    You are likely to soon hear and read that the GAO report commissioned by Rep. Eliot Engel, D-N.Y., confirms what Mexico's attorney general, Eduardo Medina-Mora, told Cooper: "Two thousand two hundred grenades, missile and rocket launchers!"

    Cue Cooper has a video of machine guns, hand grenades and other weaponry fill the screen: "It turns out 90% of them are purchased in the U.S."

    That's not all. You will hear from Sugarmann that Mexican drug dealers are buying FN Herstal Five-seven pistols from licensed U.S. gun merchants because those pistols fire bullets that penetrate protective body armor.

    What you are unlikely to hear and read is that all such military weapons are illegal in the U.S., that Mexican criminals are supplied through an international black market and that this black market prominently features weapons the U.S. sold to the Mexican military and that are resold to drug cartels by corrupt Mexican officials.

    Neither are you likely to hear or read that the vest-penetrating ammunition made for the FN Herstal Five-seven is available only to military and special police units.

    The facts don't matter. Reinstatement of the federal "assault weapon" ban that lapsed in 2004 matters, and is nothing short of a fetish among powerful supporters who will tell almost any untruth to achieve it.

    Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., said she would pick the time and place to ram the ban through. The foundation work for her plan includes TV face time for renewal activists, and politicians and law enforcement organizations that will get larger budgets and more power if the ban is reinstated.
    Journalists don't always repeat these lies in bad faith. Often they publish untruths as a combination of journalistic ignorance of firearm features and laws, and anti-gun loathing common to the "metrosexual" class.

    Canadian-born Washington Post columnist Charles Krauthammer admitted as much before the first "assault weapon" ban went into effect in 1994:
    "The 'assault weapons ban' will have no effect either on the crime rate or on personal security. ... Its only real justification is not to reduce crime but to desensitize the public to the regulation of (all) weapons in preparation for their ultimate confiscation."

    Last year's Supreme Court ruling in Heller v. D.C. that the Second Amendment right to own firearms is an individual one may crimp confiscation plans, but the current set of lies being told in order to achieve renewed restrictions goes on.

    Savvy operators like Sugarmann have told them for years. "Assault weapon" is a military term Sugarmann and others intentionally misapply to civilian firearms to frighten the public and play on its ignorance.

    As Sugarmann himself told supporters in 1988: "The weapons' menacing looks, coupled with the public's confusion over fully automatic machine guns vs. semiautomatic 'assault' weapons — anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun — can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons."

    Among previous Sugarmann inventions are the "plastic gun" and "cop-killer bullet" scares. In the former case, Sugarmann claimed that plastic guns able to evade detection by metal detectors were being sold — but no such gun existed or can be made. (He Watched Die Hard Movie)

    In the second case, he asserted that handgun ammunition was being expressly manufactured to kill police officers. Reporters and politicians ate it up; yet there has never been any such thing as a cop-killer bullet, notes David Kopel, research director at the Independence Institute:
    "The issue is a fiction, invented for purposes of politics...
    In any case, since 1986, federal law has prohibited the rare types of handgun ammunition that have unusual abilities to penetrate body armor."

    Are individuals smuggling guns into Mexico? Yes, just as they are smuggling cigarettes into Canada. Gun smuggling has been going on since the 1800s, in no small part due to Mexico's prohibitive gun laws.

    But the guns going to Mexico are legal American firearms, not war materiel. The news media have knowingly or incompetently lied to Americans in service of a political cause. For this they should be deeply ashamed.

    • Gifford is an Emmy-winning and Oscar-nominated film producer and a former reporter for ABC News, the "MacNeil-Lehrer NewsHour" and CNN.
    • Krauss is a professor of law at George Mason University. - Mexican Standoff On Second Amendment

  8. #137
    City of Miami, Miami-Dade County, Florida Police Chief John Timoney (AND Mayor Manny Diaz) Calls For Federal Assault Weapons Ban!

    Interesting the shooting occurred at a birthday party (SIC) at 12.30AM mmm...

    Ban assault weapons - Editorials -

    Ban assault weapons

    OUR OPINION: Assault weapons turn mean streets into killing fields

    Miami Police Chief John Timoney is not one to shy from a fight. He's found a formidable adversary in the National Rifle Association.
    In remarks on the carnage wrought by a gunman shooting up a large group of party goers, some of them also armed, in Overtown early Monday morning, Chief Timoney noted that one of the guns used was an AK-47.
    ''This is Washington's problem,'' said Mr. Timoney, referring to the federal ban on the sale of assault weapons, such as the AK-47, that Congress let lapse in 2007. Cowed by the NRA, Democrats and Republicans alike caved to the group's political strong-arming by failing to muster the votes to uphold the sensible, life-saving ban.
    Lawmakers fail
    Actually, it's Tallahassee's problem, too. The state Legislature is as captive to the gun lobby as its counterparts in Washington.
    When counties began approving regulations on gun sales, Florida lawmakers passed a law that prohibits local governments from enacting gun-control ordinances. More recently the Legislature made it legal for employees to keep guns in their car while at work despite the strong opposition of the business lobby.
    The problems these weak-kneed lawmakers create often manifest themselves in the poorest neighborhoods. The Overtown shootings felled 12 people, three of whom are gravely injured and, as of this writing, may not recover. Another person was hit by a car as she ran from flying bullets.
    Obama backed ban
    The Monday morning shootings are the second wanton large-scale assault with deadly weapons this year in Miami. In January gunmen attacked a group playing craps in Liberty City. Two teenagers were killed, and seven other persons were wounded. Assault weapons were involved in that attack too.
    During the presidential campaign, then-candidate Barack Obama advocated reinstating the assault-weapons ban and making it permanent.
    But since taking office, the president has retreated from that stance, saying he won't push for reinstatement. Instead, he backs an inter-American treaty that would curb international small arms trafficking.
    That's all well and good, but Mr. Obama would better serve Americans by heeding the just cause of Chief Timoney and other law-enforcement leaders. They see firsthand the terrible toll automatic weapons take on our streets.
    The president should use some of his immense political capital to keep those streets free of deadly weapons.

    Besides the usual mandatory, telephone, fax, snail mail, and otherwise hounding of at least the following individuals to support the Constitution as it was written and intended by our founding fathers...

    Time To Get On The Stick and Send a copy of the Second Amendment to at least:
    Police Chief John Timoney,
    Mayor Manny Diaz,
    The Miami Herald,
    Governor Charlie Crist,
    Senator Mel Martinez (R-FL),
    Senator Bill Nelson (D-FL),
    Representative Kendrick Meek (D-FL 17th District),
    Representative Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-FL 18th District)
    Contact your Representatives...
    NRA-ILA :: Action Center

    Contact The Miami Herald Staff...
    NRA-ILA :: Action Center

    Main Portal To Miami Herald...

    Further, remind them that the Second Amendment does not state "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" Except...
    IF your zip code is X...
    Your standing or sitting at Y...
    Or the type or class of firearm you have or desire to have is Z...

    "Congress has no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American ... the unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people." - Tench Coxe 1789

    Guns Kill People, Like Forks Make Rosie O'Donnell Fat...

  9. #138
    Least we forget RINO's still in office that sold the Constitution and the Second Amendment out as recently as last year...

    H.R. 6257:
    110th Congress
    Assault Weapons Ban Reauthorization Act of 2008
    H.R. 6257 [110th]: Assault Weapons Ban Reauthorization Act of 2008 (

    Introduced by RINO Republican Mark Kirk (R-IL 10th)

    and Co-Sponsored by RINO'S...
    Cosponsors (as of 2009-01-09)
    Representative Michael Castle (R-DE)
    . The Online Office of Congressman Mike Castle - Home
    Representative Michael Ferguson (R-NJ 7TH) (Voted Out in 2008)
    Representative Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-FL 18TH)
    . Home | Congresswoman Ileanna Ros-Lehtinen - Dedicated to Serving Florida's 18th District
    Representative Christopher Shays (R-CT 4TH) Voted Out in 2008)

    August 2008... RINO Republican Congressman Mark Kirk Representing the 10th District of Illinois Calls For State & Federal Assault Weapons Ban:
    YouTube - Renewing the Assault Weapons Ban

    June 2008... RINO Republican Congressman Mark Kirk Representing the 10th District of Illinois Calls For State & Federal Assault Weapons Ban:
    YouTube - Getting Guns Off Our Streets

    May 2008... RINO Republican Congressman Mark Kirk Representing the 10th District of Illinois Calls For State & Federal Assault Weapons Ban:
    YouTube - Congressman Kirk joins in the Fight Against Illegal Guns

    Mark Kirk

    Vote these BUMS out in 2010!

    GOA House Ratings for the 111th Congress

    GOA Senate Ratings For The 111th Congress

  10. #139
    Despite its dismal failure, Obama is trying to renew 1994 weapons ban with lies

    Tuesday July 21, 10:49 AM

    In March 2009, U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder announced his support for the return of the so-called Assault Weapons Ban. Of course, Holder is hardly alone in this wish. Shortly after he was elected President, Barack Obama announced on his official website, his desire for "making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent."

    Since then, he as well as Hillary Clinton have been trying to push the idea that the drug war raging in Mexico is being fought entirely with weapons purchased in U.S. gun shops, then smuggled back into Mexico. The Mexican drug cartels can and do buy their weapons from anywhere in the world, many of them are purchased from China and South American arms manufacturers. They also steal and buy guns from the Mexican military as well as the very corrupt federal police force.

    While it is true that some U.S. guns are brought into Mexico, it is a small percentage, and most of those are purchased by Mexican citizens frightened by the horrific violence now gripping that country.

    The drug cartels want fully automatic weapons, not semi-automatic rifles, nor do they want .38 Specials, or 9mm pistols.

    The Obama administration has claimed that 90 percent of the guns recovered from Mexican crime scenes came from the U.S. However, that assertion is completely false.

    According to ATF Special Agent William Newell, between 2007-2008, according Mexico submitted 11,000 guns to the ATF to be traced. Around 6,000 of those were successfully traced. Of those, 90 percent -- 5,114 guns, were found to have originally been purchased in the U.S.

    However, during that same period, the Mexican government claims that 29,000 guns were recovered from crime scenes. So, 68 percent of the guns which were recovered were never submitted for tracing. Between 5,000- 6,000 of the guns submitted, could not be traced from the remaining 32 percent. Actually, 83 percent of the guns re covered from Mexican crime scenes were not able to be traced to the U.S.

    Contrary to what the Obama administration would have us believe, only 17 percent the guns found in Mexico have come from the U.S.

    Actually, the weapon of choice among the drug cartel gangsters is the grenade. In fact, grenade attacks have become so prevalent in Mexico that last week, the El Paso Times reported a man in Juarez found a live grenade just lying on a sidewalk. Felipe Angeles discovered the model M228 grenade while he was cleaning his front yard.

    Most of the grenades have been found to have been manufactured in South Korea.

    Despite these truths, Obama wants to revise the failed Assault Weapons Ban.

    After ten years, the politicians that voted the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban into law, could find no support to renew the ban. An attempt in 2004 by Sen. Diane Feinstein to renew the ban failed miserably with a 8-90 vote. The ban went off into the sunset because an overwhelming number of Americans finally understood it was truly useless.

    The ban was actually voted in disingenuously, as the public was led to believe that it would help to take machine-guns off of our streets. Nonsense! Fully-automatic weapons come are heavily regulated and carry very expensive transfer taxes under the National Firearms Act of 1934, and there are relatively few of them in this country. You simply cannot just walk into a gun shop and buy a machine gun.

    The weapons which fell under the ban, did so basically for cosmetic reasons. Weapons with folding stocks, flash suppressors, pistol grips, or that held a large magazine were outlawed. Those features cannot make the weapon fire any faster, nor do they in anyway boost the firepower.

    Hunting rifles and double-barreled shotguns can be just as deadly as an AK-47. However, those weapons do not appear as ominous.
    In 1994, Diane Feinstein asked her staff to come up with a list of assault weapons to place on the banned list. They got their hands on a gun catalog and went through--picking out weapons that were black and those that had a militaristic appearance. None of course, were fully-automatic.

    In fact, gun manufacturers often referred to the ban as the "ugly gun law."
    The ban expired in the fall of 2004. At the time, then Presidential-candidate John Kerry claimed that criminals would now buy so-called assault weapons in gun shops. Kerry failed to mention however, that those people would still have to pass a background check.

    Gun control never works because the logic behind it is completely flawed. Criminals rarely purchase their weapons through legitimate gun retailers. They ordinarily buy them on the street, where they are cheap and cannot be traced. Or they simply steal them. Putting gun control laws in place, only helps to separate law-abiding people from their constitutional right to own a gun. Thus, giving the upper hand to the violent criminals.

    Kerry also claimed that terrorists would flock to gun shows to buy their weapons. However, it would seem that terrorists shop at hardware stores for box cutters, more so than attend gun shows.
    More civilians died on September 11, 2001 than on any other day in American history. The deadliest attack ever made on this country, took place without anyone firing a single shot or even brandishing a gun.

    The Columbine High School shootings, the D.C. area sniper attacks, and 9/11 all have one thing in common--they all took place while the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban was in place.

    Of course, we have no reason to believe that our current government will be satisfied with simply banning so-called ´assault weapons.´

    There is great fear that those on the far left will not be satisfied until firearms of all kinds are made illegal. Why however, should people such as Eric Holder and Diane Feinstein be concerned with protecting themselves? They have armed guards to do just that. You see, our safety and protection do not matter very much to the ruling class. We merely pay their salaries.

    Despite its dismal failure, Obama is trying to renew 1994 weapons ban with lies

  11. #140
    Ireland bans handguns

    Justice Minister Dermot Ahern has signed new gun control legislation into law. The act bans handguns in Ireland and also introduces a requirement for referees, background medical checks and standards for the safe keeping of guns in the home for all firearms license applicants.

    Ahern signs new gun control act into law
    24/07/2009 - 11:29:00

    Justice Minister Dermot Ahern has signed new gun control legislation into law.

    The act bans handguns in Ireland and also introduces a requirement for referees, background medical checks and standards for the safe keeping of guns in the home for all firearms license applicants.

    It also makes it an offense to brandish a realistic imitation firearm in public.

    Mr Ahern says the legislation is designed to halt the emergence of a gun culture in Ireland.

    Looks like its time for Ireland to make a Declaration of Independence...

    The U.N. Global Gun Ban is getting closer and closer to home folks...

    Time to stop being reactive...

    All people have the unalienable, fundamental, pre-existing right to defend their lives and that of their friends, family, neighbors, etc., by any means necessary, anywhere, anyplace, anytime...
    This is something that no Government, Court or Legislative, Parliamentary body, etc., has the right to do...
    Its long overdue for the disarmed citizens of England, Australia, Canada, India, China, elsewhere, and now Ireland to take back their rights!
    A Declaration of Independence from this Tyranny & Socialism is long overdue...
    When Firearms are outlawed, only outlaws will have firearms...

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