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  1. #61
    Alan Keys tells it like it is. To bad he is not our president instead of the Obamanation. Then again like Keys said the mesiah is not my President.
    By faith Noah,being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear,prepared an ark to the saving of his house;by the which he condemned the world,and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith Heb.11:7

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  3. #62
    Mexican Drug Violence--Anti-Gunners Lead Witness
    Friday, April 03, 2009

    As we continue to report, Congress has jumped into the topic of Mexican border violence with both feet, having held 10 different Subcommittee and Full Committee hearings on the topic, with more coming. It has also become clear that anti-gun politicians and groups are intent on using this issue to advance new gun laws.
    In the Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on Drugs and Crime, Sen. Dianne Feinstein renewed her attacks on gun owners' rights. During her remarks, she stated that there are over 2,000 guns smuggled into Mexico from the U.S. each day. But when she tried to elicit support for that number from a representative from the BATFE, he responded that the number was much lower. Senator Feinstein was clearly unhappy that he would not endorse her anti-gun sound bite.
    Feinstein also repeated the claim that 90% of seized guns are from American sources (please see related story below). In fact, it is unknown where most of the arms possessed by the cartels originate. According to the BATFE 90% of the firearms traced are from American sources, but BATFE only traces 25% of the guns seized by Mexican authorities. The remaining 75% of guns seized along with all the firearms remaining in the hands of the cartels are of unknown origin. The fact that only 25% of the guns seized are traced raises a significant question: Why has the Mexican government not requested traces on the remaining 75%? Could it be because those guns are far less likely to have originated in America? Could it be that the Mexican authorities do not want it known where these guns come from? Could it be that it benefits the Mexican government to continue to blame U.S. gun laws to divert attention away from the rampant corruption of local governments and police forces? Could it be all of the above?
    Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has also entered the debate, traveling to Mexico and taking the opportunity to blame American gun laws. She called for a renewal of the semi-auto ban, and even trumpeted the ban's illusory impact: "And there's no doubt in my mind that the 10 years we had an assault weapons ban in America was one of the tools that helped to drive down the crime rate."
    Perhaps if Clinton had read the congressionally mandated study performed by the Urban Institute (http://www.urban.org/UploadedPDF/aw_final.pdf) she would know it showed that the ban couldn't possibly have had much impact on crime because "the banned guns were never used in more than a modest fraction of all gun murders" before the ban.
    In another development that will not please the gun ban crowd, the leader of the Border Patrol Union, T.J. Bonner, said he was "underwhelmed" by Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano's plans to secure the border and went on to debunk the idea that Mexican violence is caused by American guns: "The U.S. has more weapons but we don't have that kind of violence in our streets," he said.
    American gun owners know that that the real solution to the border violence is to actually secure the border. Shifting the focus to gun laws is nothing more than a calculated attack on our Second Amendment rights.
    For more information on the hearings, please go to www.nraila.org.

  4. So according to the NRA 90% of 25% of the guns traced back to the US. If we assume that NO OTHER OF THE 75% come from the US That is still 23 out of 100 come from the US. That is not a small amount of guns.

    But we dont need any new laws in place to decrease the number of weapons going to Mexico we just need to enforce what we have in place, and make gun smuggling and Drug smuggling have much stiffer penalties. Tighten up the border with sensors and cameras as we have in place all around area 51.

  5. #64
    wolfhunter Guest
    23 out of 100 come from the U.S. The U.S. Departments of State and Defense have a program called Foreign Military Sales. How many of those guns were on FMS contracts to the Mexican government?

  6. Quote Originally Posted by wolfhunter View Post
    23 out of 100 come from the U.S. The U.S. Departments of State and Defense have a program called Foreign Military Sales. How many of those guns were on FMS contracts to the Mexican government?
    Good question! who do we ask? I can see corrupt police selling their guns to the cartels. Hell that happen in Miami a few years back

  7. #66
    Mexico Weapons - The Real Agenda:
    YouTube - Mexico Weapons - The Real Agenda

    NRA: "Assault Weapons", the Clinton Gun Ban Story:
    YouTube - NRA: "Assault Weapons", the Clinton Gun Ban Story

  8. #67
    Sunday April 5th, 2009
    Another call from the media for a firearm ban:
    Ban may save officers' lives - San Bernardino County Sun

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    Here's my comment to that editotiral.

    **** Pop owned nothing that could be referred to by the very precise phrase assault rifle. Nothing he owned fired on full automatic. Nearly all AK-47s in private hands in America are semi-automatic-only rifles, which exempts them from the label of assault rifle.

    This distinction, lost on The Sun's editorial board, can most succinctly be exemplified by this short YouTube video. YouTube - The Truth about "Assault Weapons" Please note that the tragedy in Stockton, CA to which Ofc. Leeroy Pyle alludes took place in January, 1989, over two decades ago. Stockton massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    It's time for the mainstream media to learn something about the things about which they write. Ignorance of at least 20 year old information is unforgiveable.

    As is inelegance with the English language. "he shot two officers who knocked on his door with a rifle." So, you're saying the police used rifles to knock on **** Pop's door? You do that at my house, you raise your chances of getting shot too. How about "he used a rifle to shoot two officers who knocked on his door." I know precision and accuracy is foreign to your editorial staff, but word smithing is supposed to be your thing, even if honesty isn't.

    And why should Congress bring back a ban on inanimate objects which the rank and file themselves will tell you are not the weapons used by criminals to commit crimes? Don't believe me. Ask the FBI crime statistics. Check the 10 years prior to 1994 for the number and type of firearm taken off criminals and found at crime scenes with the 10 years after 1994. There is no change. The hallmark of legislation, good or bad, is that you can see a change in the world because of its passage.

    Frank Zappa said of journalists for the Rolling Stone, "Writing about music is like dancing about architecture." The same can be said of banning guns to lower crime. It makes no objective sense.

    I've got an idea. I know what we can ban that will monumentally improve the safety of Americans, make our lives better, and it'll even improve the economy, although, of course, I have no actual numbers to back up any of these claims. And, I know that it's interfering with a Constitutionally protected right, but, come on, "if it just saves one life," let's ban bad journalism.

    Relying on research done on the efficacy of gun control by the Violence Policy Center... who do you think you're kidding? Perpetuating the exploded myth that American guns are feeding the narco-wars in Mexico? That's journalistic malpractice. How about citing the 65 Democrats who signed a letter to A.G. Holder dictating that they would not support an attempt to renew an AWB. Oh, right, because you disagree with them. There's no bias in that.

    Let's definitely, absolutely, and with malice aforethought violate the human, civil, and Constitutional rights of millions of Americans, because the law with which we do it "may" have a benefit. How about the editorial staff of The Sun join the anti-gun Leftists in Washington in learning a few facts about guns in America before opening your traps again or putting pens to paper?

  10. #69

    Obama's 'Get the Guns' Plan Goes Global

    Monday April 6th, 2009

    Obama's 'Get the Guns' Plan Goes Global:

    GOPUSA - The Loft

  11. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by Bohemian View Post
    Sunday April 5th, 2009
    Another call from the media for a firearm ban:
    Ban may save officers' lives - San Bernardino County Sun
    Thanks Bo and also Thanks CIB. Good posts.

    I had to put a couples cents to the comments as well:
    In a recent interview with ABC News, Author James Jacobs (Can Gun Control Work? ISBN 0195176588)
    states the basically that the ban failed....
    Semper Fi

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