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    Brady Campaign Sues Interior Department Over Rule Allowing Concealed Guns in Parks, Will Seek Court Injunction

    WASHINGTON, Dec. 30 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The Brady Campaign to
    Prevent Gun Violence today filed suit in federal court asking that
    the court strike down a last-minute Bush Administration rule change
    allowing concealed, loaded firearms in national parks and wildlife refuges.

    The suit was filed in the U.S. District Court for the District of
    Columbia, and seeks an injunction to block the rule, which is
    scheduled to go into effect on January 9, 2009.

    "The Bush Administration's last-minute gift to the gun lobby,
    allowing concealed semiautomatic weapons in national parks,
    jeopardizes the safety of park visitors in violation of federal law,"
    said Brady Campaign President Paul Helmke. "We should not be making
    it easier for dangerous people to carry concealed firearms in our parks."

    Attorneys with the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence's Legal
    Action Project and the law firm Ropes & Gray in Washington, D.C. are
    representing the Brady Campaign in this case. To read the complaint,
    go to

    The rule will allow guns in rural and urban national park areas
    around the country, from Wyoming's Yellowstone and California's
    Yosemite to Philadelphia's Independence National Historical Park,
    home of the Liberty Bell. The suit was filed on behalf of the Brady
    Campaign and its members, including school teachers in the New York
    and Washington, D.C. areas who are canceling or curtailing school
    trips to Ellis Island and the Statue of Liberty and the National Mall
    in Washington, D.C. now that the Bush Administration will be allowing
    guns in these national park areas.

    The suit charges that the Interior Department violated several
    federal laws in its rush to implement the rule before President Bush
    leaves office, including failing to conduct any environmental review
    of the harm that the rule will cause, as is required by the National
    Environmental Policy Act. The Department also violated a White House
    directive that no rules should be issued after November 1, 2008,
    except in "extraordinary circumstances," issuing the last-minute rule
    change on December 10, 2008. The rule also violates the National Park
    Service Organic Act and the National Wildlife Refuge System
    Administration Act, which created the parks and wildlife refuges as
    protected lands for safe enjoyment of all visitors.

    Rules in place since the Reagan Administration have allowed visitors
    to transport guns in national parks and wildlife refuges if they are
    unloaded and stored or dismantled. These restrictions have helped
    make these areas some of the safest places to visit in the country.
    Yet at the behest of the gun lobby, the Interior Department announced
    earlier this year that it planned to allow concealed firearms in
    national parks and wildlife refuges. Concealed carrying will be
    allowed in every state that allows concealed carrying, even if the
    state specifically bans the practice in state parks. Only Illinois
    and Wisconsin prohibit concealed carrying.

    Numerous studies have confirmed that concealed carrying of firearms
    does not reduce crime and, if anything, leads to increased violent
    crime. Experience in states that have allowed concealed carrying of
    firearms has shown that thousands of dangerous people are able to get
    licenses. In Florida, for example, more than 4,200 licenses were
    revoked because many of these licensees committed a crime. Since
    becoming the first state to allow the concealed carrying of firearms
    in 1987, Florida consistently has had one of the highest rates of
    violent crime in the nation. Florida has been ranked as the state
    with the highest annual violent crime rate more often than any other
    state in the last two decades.

    As the nation's largest, non-partisan, grassroots organization
    leading the fight to prevent gun violence, the Brady Campaign, with
    its dedicated network of Million Mom March Chapters, works to enact
    and enforce sensible gun laws, regulations and public policies. The
    Brady Campaign is devoted to creating an America free from gun
    violence, where all Americans are safe at home, at school, at work,
    and in our communities.

    For continuing insight and comment on the gun issue, read Paul
    Helmke's blog at Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. Visit the Brady
    Campaign website at Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.

    Contact: Peter Hamm, 202-898-0792, [email protected]
    "A kind word only goes so far, a kind word and a gun goes a lot further" 1924
    Be Safe, Be Confident, Get Trained! Copyrighted 1996
    [email protected]

  3. Not sure if this is the right thread to post this but I came across the discussions about carrying on federal land/buildings.

    Are historic land/buildings considered "federal" land/buildings if they are part of the National Trust?

    There is an historic mansion/estate in the city where I live in Iowa. There are many events there every year and I of course would like to carry if legal when I am there. However, I am unsure if it is possible since it is part the the National Trust.

    I wasn't able to find any info about being considered federal land/building on the website.

    Thanks to anyone who can help or shed some light on the matter.
    NRA ~ USCCA ~ USA Carry ~ Iowa Carry ~ Izaak Walton League

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    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    NW New Mexico


    I presume you are in Iowa. The Federal part of your question should be easy to resolve by contacting some Federal entity in your local area and asking. They may not have an answer, but I find that you can usually get a referral to someone that has the answers. Sorry, I don't know, but asking is a good thing - most people try to help out. A Park Service office, maybe your Sheriff office, things like that. Good idea to pin down that info!

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