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    Nat'l Parks CCW

    Whatever happened with this? There was a public response period that was supposed to be over in August, and then Bush was supposed to sign the bill (or whatever it is) to allow CCW in Nat'l Parks. With his term almost over, is he going to get it signed before he gets out? You know Obama won't sign it.
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    I've tried to follow it, too. The PS sent out surveys to people who use the parks and according to them it was unanimous that the majority of users did't want guns in their parks. The NRA spent alot of time and money trying to get the law changed but to no avail. A final decision hasn't been made as far as I know, but sure as hell doesn't look good at this point. And when obanna takes office we can look for a total demise of CCW through some sort of subterfuge(as yet to be announced.)

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    What happened is Harry "Gun Ban" Reid and Nancy "No Ammo" Pelosi asked the department of the interior to extend the response period... to give the "Gun Ban Obama" club time to take office and prevent it from happening...

    It is currently in the hands and power of the department of the interior, they are the ones whom will make or break the deal; unless "Gun Ban, Tax & Spend Welfare State Obama" and company does something first...

    NRA-ILA :: Update On Right-To-Carry In National Parks And Wildlife Refuges

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    National Parks Updated Released Today, 12/5/2k8

    U.S. Department of the Interior Date: December 5, 2008
    Contact: Chris Paolino
    202-208-6416
    Interior Announces Final Firearms Policy Update
    WASHINGTON, D.C. – Assistant Secretary of the Interior for Fish and Wildlife and Parks Lyle Laverty today announced that the Department of the Interior has finalized updated regulations governing the possession of firearms in national parks and wildlife refuges. The final rule, which updates existing regulations, would allow an individual to carry a concealed weapon in national parks and wildlife refuges if, and only if, the individual is authorized to carry a concealed weapon under state law in the state in which the national park or refuge is located. The update has been submitted to the Federal Register for publication and is available to the public on U.S. Department of the Interior Home Page.

    Existing regulations regarding the carrying of firearms remain otherwise unchanged, particularly limitations on poaching and target practice and prohibitions on carrying firearms in federal buildings.

    “America was founded on the idea that the federal and state governments work together to serve the public and preserve our natural resources,” Laverty said. “The Department’s final regulation respects this tradition by allowing individuals to carry concealed firearms in federal park units and refuges to the extent that they could lawfully do so under state law. This is the same basic approach adopted by the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) and the United States Forest Service (USFS), both of which allow visitors to carry weapons consistent with applicable federal and state laws.”

    On February 22, 2008, Interior Secretary Kempthorne responded to letters from 51 Senators, both Democrats and Republicans, as well as from the Chairman and Ranking Member of the House Natural Resources Committee, urging him to update existing regulations that prohibit the carrying of firearms in national parks and wildlife refuges. In his response, the Secretary directed Assistant Secretary for Fish and Wildlife and Parks Lyle Laverty “to develop and propose for public comment by April 30 Federal regulations that will update firearms policies on these lands to reflect existing Federal laws (such as those prohibiting weapons in Federal buildings) and the laws by which the host states govern transporting and carrying of firearms on their analogous public lands.”

    Changes in the final regulations from those originally proposed in April were developed as the result of public comments. In particular, comments expressed concern about the feasibility of implementing regulations which directly linked the carrying of concealed firearms in national parks and wildlife refuges to the ability of an individual to carry a concealed firearm on analogous state lands. The final regulations remove that potential logistical hurdle.

    The existing regulations, as currently in effect, were adopted in 1981 for national wildlife refuges and in 1983 for national parks. Since that time many states have enacted new firearms policies. Currently, 48 states have passed legislation allowing for the lawful possession of concealed weapons.

    “The Department believes that in managing parks and refuges we should, as appropriate, make every effort to give the greatest respect to the democratic judgments of State legislatures with respect to concealed firearms,” said Laverty. “Federal agencies have a responsibility to recognize the expertise of the States in this area, and federal regulations should be developed and implemented in a manner that respects state prerogatives and authority.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by ricbak View Post
    U.S. Department of the Interior Date: December 5, 2008
    Contact: Chris Paolino
    202-208-6416
    Interior Announces Final Firearms Policy Update
    WASHINGTON, D.C. – Assistant Secretary of the Interior for Fish and Wildlife and Parks Lyle Laverty today announced that the Department of the Interior has finalized updated regulations governing the possession of firearms in national parks and wildlife refuges. The final rule, which updates existing regulations, would allow an individual to carry a concealed weapon in national parks and wildlife refuges if, and only if, the individual is authorized to carry a concealed weapon under state law in the state in which the national park or refuge is located. The update has been submitted to the Federal Register for publication and is available to the public on U.S. Department of the Interior Home Page.

    Existing regulations regarding the carrying of firearms remain otherwise unchanged, particularly limitations on poaching and target practice and prohibitions on carrying firearms in federal buildings.

    “America was founded on the idea that the federal and state governments work together to serve the public and preserve our natural resources,” Laverty said. “The Department’s final regulation respects this tradition by allowing individuals to carry concealed firearms in federal park units and refuges to the extent that they could lawfully do so under state law. This is the same basic approach adopted by the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) and the United States Forest Service (USFS), both of which allow visitors to carry weapons consistent with applicable federal and state laws.”

    On February 22, 2008, Interior Secretary Kempthorne responded to letters from 51 Senators, both Democrats and Republicans, as well as from the Chairman and Ranking Member of the House Natural Resources Committee, urging him to update existing regulations that prohibit the carrying of firearms in national parks and wildlife refuges. In his response, the Secretary directed Assistant Secretary for Fish and Wildlife and Parks Lyle Laverty “to develop and propose for public comment by April 30 Federal regulations that will update firearms policies on these lands to reflect existing Federal laws (such as those prohibiting weapons in Federal buildings) and the laws by which the host states govern transporting and carrying of firearms on their analogous public lands.”

    Changes in the final regulations from those originally proposed in April were developed as the result of public comments. In particular, comments expressed concern about the feasibility of implementing regulations which directly linked the carrying of concealed firearms in national parks and wildlife refuges to the ability of an individual to carry a concealed firearm on analogous state lands. The final regulations remove that potential logistical hurdle.

    The existing regulations, as currently in effect, were adopted in 1981 for national wildlife refuges and in 1983 for national parks. Since that time many states have enacted new firearms policies. Currently, 48 states have passed legislation allowing for the lawful possession of concealed weapons.

    “The Department believes that in managing parks and refuges we should, as appropriate, make every effort to give the greatest respect to the democratic judgments of State legislatures with respect to concealed firearms,” said Laverty. “Federal agencies have a responsibility to recognize the expertise of the States in this area, and federal regulations should be developed and implemented in a manner that respects state prerogatives and authority.”
    Ordinarily, I would think this is good news, as it stands its probably moot, or will be once gun ban obama and company get started...

    Obama: "...I am
    consistently on record and will
    continue to be on record as opposing
    concealed carry."
    Chicago Tribune, April 27, 2004

    "My first priority will be to reinstate the assault weapons ban PERMANENTLY as soon as I take office. Within 90 days, we will go back after kitchen table dealers, and work to end the gun show and internet sales loopholes. In the first year, I intend to work with Congress on a national no carry law, 1 gun a month purchase limits, and bans on all semi-automatic guns."
    Barack Obama, VPC Fund Raiser, 2007

    Regarding the AWB...
    The NRA has prevented that legislation from getting through congress for the last 8 years, as President, I intend to make it happen...
    Barack Obama, Democratic Primary Debate, 2007

    “I think it’s a scandal that (W. Bush) did not authorize a renewal of the assault weapons ban.” (Illinois Senate Debate No. 3: Barack Obama vs. Alan Keyes, Oct. 21, 2004)

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    I knew that it was suposed to be finalized this month. My question is after reading the rule, if a person does not have a permit do they have to secure their firearm and ammo like before or do they comply with their states law on vehicle carry? I guess like any ruling there are a few bugs that they have to work out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ricbak View Post
    Currently, 48 states have passed legislation allowing for the lawful possession of concealed weapons.
    Now, if we could just get N. Marianas, and Am. Samoa, and Wisconsin and Illinois on board. I don't think that's asking too much, do you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Hat View Post
    I knew that it was suposed to be finalized this month. My question is after reading the rule, if a person does not have a permit do they have to secure their firearm and ammo like before or do they comply with their states law on vehicle carry? I guess like any ruling there are a few bugs that they have to work out.
    The answer is: if you don't have a CCW permit; then the previous laws and rules apply. I still see this as a victory even if only a limited one. The message is clear...if you don't have a CCW permit...get one. At this point in time, I'm happy to see even small successes for pro-gunners!
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    The amendment to 36 CFR 2.4 takes effect Jan 9, 2009. 30 days after being published in the federal register. You can view the changes at Electronic Code of Federal Regulations:.
    Or search U.S. Government Printing Office Home Page for 36 CFR 2.4.

    And as with most states laws you must not only have your CCW Permit with you but you must have valid ID with you as well. As the law was interpreted you must have your firearm concealed at all times, regardless if your state allows open carry. And forget about other weapons, this regulation address only firearms- swords are still illegal in National Parks.

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    And we are thinking that the revised regulations will still prohibit carry in the buildings of a park under the "no carry in Federal buildings" rules wich covers several hotels, visitor centers and even toilets?
    Reality, DEAL with IT!

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